There is only one war going on: Christianity vs the Occult. What side are you on?

@BlueSkyKing Most of the times when people like you go on about science, you are actually talking about scientism or science falsely so called.

I have a question for you. As stated on a national geographic "science" episode: "Before the big bang there was nothing, literally
Nothing and then something happened, triggering the most colossal explosion in history. In a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second the universe grew from the size of that tiny point to something billions of miles across. This colossal blast created everything; all that matter that we see in the universe today."

How in the world can anyone know this? How is this not also a religion? Atheists mock creationism however the big bang is a creation story. You see, I admit that I have a religion. But you're demanding that your religion be taught at taxpayer expense. Please tell me how you can prove this and how this isn't a belief system. You probably should start applying the same standards that you do to us to your own creation story.

I say in the beginning...God and you say in the beginning...nothing. God said let there be light. It has actually been proven that frequency and vibration can form random lumps of sand into orderly geometrical patterns. Well, when we speak words what do those words translate into? Vibrations. God spoke and when God spoke let there be light, those words translated into vibrations and that formed everything. All God has to do is speak. He's God. If a tone generator and a wave driver can do it to a lump of sand on a chladni plate, imagine what the power of God's voice can do!?

So, in actuality, the more we learn about real science, the more we see that the Bibles creation story is being shown to be far more plausible. Nikola Tesla said that in order to understand the universe you must think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.

@SW-User Jesus Christ. And I don't mean the invisible friend you worship. That is just such an absolute load.

@SW-User "Scientism" is a word used by creationists to try to deny learning and to push their "god" thing. We are at a point when we are almost within reach of defining how everything came into being, and yet the religious are still trying to push their "god" thing.

@SW-User The book reads like mythology. Do you have a problem supporting slavery and treating women as property? What type of subject matter would make a book immoral?

@BlueSkyKing Firstly, the KJV Bible uses the word servant, not slave. The only time it uses the word slaves is talking about a heathen nation taking part in that practice. If you actually read the context, the form of servitude or as some might call "slavery" that the Bible supports is NOT the form of slavery that most people have in their mind, like racial slavery, it is talking about people working for someone to pay off a debt. The form of servitude in the Bible is essentially what we today call a job; working for a boss.

And the Bible does not support treating women as property. The Bible tells husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church. There is no higher or greater love than that. And yes, wives are told to submit to and obey their husbands, because the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the Church. Does children obeying and submitting to their parents make them property? No. Stop repeating atheist talking points and think for yourself.

Modern man hates authority and hates the natural order of things because of our weird and backwards feminist society, which has proven to be an absolute disaster and nightmare. There's a reason why feminist women are so miserable. For more on this, go read my post titled "Feminism liberated women from the natural dignity of their sex and turned them into inferior men."

But do you wanna know something? Even if the Bible supported the form of slavery you have in mind and treating women as property, I would support it. You know why? Because I am not so arrogant as to believe that I decide what is right and wrong. My feelings do not dictate reality. I am not the arbiter of truth. There are many views I used to have that did not align with God's word, and you know what I had to do? Adapt and change those views to be in accordance with God's word, because I am not the final authority. I admit my fallibility as a man with a limited 3 pound brain. Atheists worship themselves and their own intellect as god. This is the product of the virus of secular humanism.

Just think about it: the intellect and reasoning that the atheist worships comes from a limited brain that can only detect 0.0035 percent of the electromagnetic spectrum -visible light - (of which that entire electromagnetic spectrum itself is only a fraction of what can be seen and exists in the universe). A brain that can't hear a dog whistle or even see certain patterns on plants that some insects can see. A limited 3 pound brain that certainly cannot fit the infinite God of the Bible inside of or in the tiny box of "proof" and "evidence" which that limited brain has created.

Isaiah 55:8-9 says, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Listen, you do not get to decide what is moral and immoral. God does. You did not create the universe. God did. I don't care about societies ever-changing morality. I care about God's unchanging righteousness.

Also, the atheist cannot proclaim anything to be good and evil or justify it because they do not believe in absolute truth, absolute right and wrong, because in their worldview there is no absolute moral law giver and no final authority. So, their universe is one of moral relativism, subjectivism and solipsism.

Those who do not have a final authority like the Bible are led by their own inner voice, which is a result of everything you've heard on the radio, read in magazines and books, learned from your parents, learned in school and everything the media has taught you. Can you really trust that? Do you think that you're the final judge of what's right and wrong? You're led by the kind of inner voice that says, "Would a loving God really torch Sodom and Gomorrah? That just doesn't FEEL right to me." Who cares what you think. Your opinion is just what happened to be taught to you by culture and society. And society and culture had radically different views just a couple of decades ago. So, what doesn't seem right to you in the Bible is irrelevant. The Bible says in Proverbs 14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death."

Why put your faith in a society and CULTure that is constantly changing? The Word Cult is in culture for a reason. Put your faith in the God of the Bible, who NEVER changes. "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” - Malachi 3:6
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." - Hebrews 13:8.

Gods Word is the final authority. Let God be true, but every man a liar! Let God be righteous and let us be unrighteous. We are wrong and He is the one who is right. That is where you need to get in life, my friend.

You'll probably say, "how can you just blindly believe the Bible?" How can you just blindly believe what your cartoon, movie, rockin roll music filled mind tells you what is right all the time? What are you listening to? Some voice inside that just happens to be telling you whatever TV and the media is telling you? Isn't it interesting that you have an inner voice telling you the same things that millions of other people are being told by their inner voice, that nobody had an inner voice telling them that in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

God's not unrighteous, You're unrighteous. We all are unrighteous. God is right. Everything God does is right and all of his judgments are right. He's right about every subject all the time.

<sarcasm>Yeah, genocide, slavery, rape and incest are all 100 percent right when god does it, or orders you to do it!<\sarcasm>*



* no, they’re not. No matter who tells you it’s ok. Do you not see how monstrous all of that is?

@AbbySvenz ignore all that. Just remember God is good yesterday, today and forever.

@SW-User Nothing in that long diatribe we haven't seen before. The irony of it is, atheists are accused of lacking critical thinking skills and swallowing everything scientists say, and yet the whole monologue is just a regurgitated version of opnions of christians saying the same thing. Maybe try some critical thinking yourself, hmm?

@LordShadowfire Yes.

@SW-User
These are excerpts from “God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction" by Dan Barker.

If the God of the Old Testament were more than a fictional character, he might have been free to rise above the culture of his authors to denounce slavery. Instead, we had to wait millennia to abolish the biblically approved practice on our own, a progress that was hampered by faith in an ancient slavemonger deity. Like the writers who invented him, God had no choice but to endorse and encourage the cruel and inhumane customs of their primitive age.

The Ten Commandments, the allegedly supreme moral law of the world, acknowledge the Lord’s approval of slavery. The fourth commandment says:

Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. (Exodus 20:9–10)

The tenth commandment says:
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. (Exodus 20:17)
It’s a sin to covet slaves. It is not a sin to own them.


King David, “a man after God’s own heart,” turned captive enemies into hard-labor slaves:

So David gathered all the people together and went to Rabbah, and fought against it and took it…. He also brought forth the spoil of the city, a very great amount. He brought out the people who were in it, and set them to work with saws and iron picks and iron axes, or sent them to the brickworks. Thus he did to all the cities of the Ammonites. (2 Samuel 12:29–31)

Translators disagree about whether David tortured and butchered the people or whether he merely captured them for forced labor. Where the NRSV above has “set them to work with saws and iron picks and iron axes, or sent them to the brickworks,” the KJV has the torturous “put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln.” In the same story repeated in 1 Chronicles 20:3, the NRSV has “he brought out the people who were in it, and set them to work with saws and iron picks and axes,” while the KJV has “he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes.”

If you like the King James Version, you have a God who baked and hacked people to death. If you don’t like the more literal translations, then you can go with the nicer God who merely turned human beings into slaves.

@SW-User Seriously? You are seriously defending the most genocidal, homicidal, psychopathic piece of sһit in mythology. You do realize that, right?

That is the theological equivalent of saying Hitler did nothing wrong.