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SDavis · 56-60, F
The church teach for some strange reason that Adam and Eve did not have sexual intercourse until after they sinned.
They forget or ignore that God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful, multiply, and replenish the Earth right after he created them _ *that was the first commandment.* A commandment he gave them before they sinned.
Quite honestly the church doesn't know how long Adam lived before he sinned, nor can they say as an absolute that Adam did not have children before he sinned, thereby obeying God's first commandment.
They ignore that the fruit from the Tree of Life gave a form of immortality - instant healing from any sickness or disease. As written in Genesis 3:22 when God put them out and he said that they may not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever....... Instead the church will say because it's not written that Adam ate from the Tree of Life, that he didn't...... apparently not long after Eve was created or week or month or so, they sinned. That is guess work, there are things not written directly in Scripture that man just assume this, that, or the other.
Cain did marry someone down the line from The offspring of Adam and Eve. Whether it was their children's children or children's children's children or further back, it was still close kinship. Adam and Eve had many children before Cain & Abel and their children had children and so on. Those offspring migrated in the lands. They had before he sinned - obeying God's first commandment...... Besides when God put the curse on the woman for painful labor that indicates she had already had children and with little to no pain.
But to each their own way of thinking.
They forget or ignore that God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful, multiply, and replenish the Earth right after he created them _ *that was the first commandment.* A commandment he gave them before they sinned.
Quite honestly the church doesn't know how long Adam lived before he sinned, nor can they say as an absolute that Adam did not have children before he sinned, thereby obeying God's first commandment.
They ignore that the fruit from the Tree of Life gave a form of immortality - instant healing from any sickness or disease. As written in Genesis 3:22 when God put them out and he said that they may not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever....... Instead the church will say because it's not written that Adam ate from the Tree of Life, that he didn't...... apparently not long after Eve was created or week or month or so, they sinned. That is guess work, there are things not written directly in Scripture that man just assume this, that, or the other.
Cain did marry someone down the line from The offspring of Adam and Eve. Whether it was their children's children or children's children's children or further back, it was still close kinship. Adam and Eve had many children before Cain & Abel and their children had children and so on. Those offspring migrated in the lands. They had before he sinned - obeying God's first commandment...... Besides when God put the curse on the woman for painful labor that indicates she had already had children and with little to no pain.
But to each their own way of thinking.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@SDavis You said: "My statement was regarding what the church teach."
Let's take a step back and review what my misunderstanding is. You were presenting what you view as a teaching of the church with regard to Adam and Eve. Do we have agreement on this?
I am a religious person. You seem to be one also. There is no way I can be vulgar let alone be vulgar towards you.
Let's take a step back and review what my misunderstanding is. You were presenting what you view as a teaching of the church with regard to Adam and Eve. Do we have agreement on this?
I am a religious person. You seem to be one also. There is no way I can be vulgar let alone be vulgar towards you.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@sree251
Your words to me were "it's in your Goddamn post". Using vulgarity and without a cause.
And my initial statement I used the words the church teach and I fail to see how that could be misconstrued as the church inventing.
And I noticed you use the word god combined with the word damn. Several decades ago when I was a teenager I changed my vocabulary to gotd___. It seemed to me then as do now that using the title God with d___ is using one of his titles in vain / are trying to invoke a curse on someone.
But I guess most people still do say godd___!
Your words to me were "it's in your Goddamn post". Using vulgarity and without a cause.
And my initial statement I used the words the church teach and I fail to see how that could be misconstrued as the church inventing.
And I noticed you use the word god combined with the word damn. Several decades ago when I was a teenager I changed my vocabulary to gotd___. It seemed to me then as do now that using the title God with d___ is using one of his titles in vain / are trying to invoke a curse on someone.
But I guess most people still do say godd___!
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SDavis You said: "Your words to me were "it's in your Goddamn post". Using vulgarity and without a cause."
Ok, I apologize and will not use any swear words when talking to you in future. Also, this is a Christianity forum, and sensitivity on my part is expected when conversing with Christians.
Oftentimes, Christians are attacked and berated in forums for Christianity. I come here to confront critics of Christianity.
Ok, I apologize and will not use any swear words when talking to you in future. Also, this is a Christianity forum, and sensitivity on my part is expected when conversing with Christians.
Oftentimes, Christians are attacked and berated in forums for Christianity. I come here to confront critics of Christianity.
MichaelDemiboy · 51-55, M
"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters"
-- Genesis 5:4
There are plenty of holes in the story (it is from the holy Bible after all) but where the wives come from isn't one of them. They married their own sisters. Is this the middle east or Texas?
-- Genesis 5:4
There are plenty of holes in the story (it is from the holy Bible after all) but where the wives come from isn't one of them. They married their own sisters. Is this the middle east or Texas?
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calicuz · 56-60, M
Exactly. Adam and Eve may very well have been the first Jews created, but that's about it.
People keep forgetting that the creation story in the Bible comes from the Jewish religion, Then, about a hundred years after the death of Christ a bunch of Europeans high jacked that Jewish religion and added their own ending. So in my opinion, neither religion applies to me.
People keep forgetting that the creation story in the Bible comes from the Jewish religion, Then, about a hundred years after the death of Christ a bunch of Europeans high jacked that Jewish religion and added their own ending. So in my opinion, neither religion applies to me.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@basilfawlty89
I understand this, but the idea that Christ was God is a European belief, making Christianity a European religion.
I understand this, but the idea that Christ was God is a European belief, making Christianity a European religion.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@basilfawlty89
Again, you misunderstood me, and maybe I wasn't clear though. Christianity as an organized religion, is a European idea. Anyone practicing anything close to what the Europeans came up with was not practicing "Christianity." I don't know if they had a name for their religious practice in the early days, but it was not "Christianity."
Again, you misunderstood me, and maybe I wasn't clear though. Christianity as an organized religion, is a European idea. Anyone practicing anything close to what the Europeans came up with was not practicing "Christianity." I don't know if they had a name for their religious practice in the early days, but it was not "Christianity."
BlueSkyKing · M
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@BlueSkyKing like flying horses. Lol
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@LosSantosNPC
Your question is based on a major false assumption. In the biblical fairytale, only Jews are considered men and humans. Everyone else is considered an animal, a beast, a dog, a snake, a donkey, a swine. So, Adam and Eve were the first to get involved with the biblical God and are regarded as the "parents" of the Jews.
If you read the fairytale you will see that other people existed at that time and had their own towns.
Refer to Genesis 4:14-17 (CEB) = "14 Now that you’ve driven me away from the fertile land and I am hidden from your presence, I’m about to become a roving nomad on the earth, and anyone who finds me will kill me.”
15 The Lord said to him, “It won’t happen;[a] anyone who kills Cain will be paid back seven times.” The Lord put a sign on Cain so that no one who found him would assault him. 16 Cain left the Lord’s presence, and he settled down in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Cain’s descendants
17 Cain knew his wife intimately. She became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain built a city and named the city after his son Enoch."
So, as you can see, there were other people but they were not related to Adam & Eve. Cain married a stranger. That was later considered sinful.
BTW, there is also a story in the Bible about the king of Tyre living in the Garden of Eden but he got kicked out because he collaborated with the enemy. And, in Genesis, it says that the Garden of Eden was surrounded by other countries.
If Adam and Eve are the first humans, and they had two sons Cain as Abel, where did Cains wife come from?
Your question is based on a major false assumption. In the biblical fairytale, only Jews are considered men and humans. Everyone else is considered an animal, a beast, a dog, a snake, a donkey, a swine. So, Adam and Eve were the first to get involved with the biblical God and are regarded as the "parents" of the Jews.
If you read the fairytale you will see that other people existed at that time and had their own towns.
Refer to Genesis 4:14-17 (CEB) = "14 Now that you’ve driven me away from the fertile land and I am hidden from your presence, I’m about to become a roving nomad on the earth, and anyone who finds me will kill me.”
15 The Lord said to him, “It won’t happen;[a] anyone who kills Cain will be paid back seven times.” The Lord put a sign on Cain so that no one who found him would assault him. 16 Cain left the Lord’s presence, and he settled down in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Cain’s descendants
17 Cain knew his wife intimately. She became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain built a city and named the city after his son Enoch."
So, as you can see, there were other people but they were not related to Adam & Eve. Cain married a stranger. That was later considered sinful.
BTW, there is also a story in the Bible about the king of Tyre living in the Garden of Eden but he got kicked out because he collaborated with the enemy. And, in Genesis, it says that the Garden of Eden was surrounded by other countries.
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@Diotrephes Modern day Iraq then.
I’m not very good at Babylonian myths of about 1500bc and their integration into Judaism in about 550bc during the exile.
I think the writers of Genesis are asking, simple questions like why are we here? Why is this world in such a mess?
We could ask the same questions today, under the backdrop of irreversible global warming and mankind’s greed.
I’m not very good at Babylonian myths of about 1500bc and their integration into Judaism in about 550bc during the exile.
I think the writers of Genesis are asking, simple questions like why are we here? Why is this world in such a mess?
We could ask the same questions today, under the backdrop of irreversible global warming and mankind’s greed.
SatyrService · M
@Onestarlitnight
Sounds pretty hillbilly to me
Sounds pretty hillbilly to me
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Onestarlitnight
The wife of Cain was Awan , sister to Cain and daughter of Eve,
Aclima was the wife of Able, Awan was her twin sister
They were Pakistanis?Aclima was the wife of Able, Awan was her twin sister
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@th3r0n Ahhhhh they forgot that bit
th3r0n · 41-45, M
@LosSantosNPC it's often not mentioned in the Bible unless the women had some particular importance
Adstar · 56-60, M
So the Bible mentions two sons of Adam, Why? because they played a part in a needed story.. The recording of the first sacrafices made to God and the recording of the first murder committed..
Just because the Bible did not name other children of Adam and eve does not mean they did not exist.. Adam and eve had centuries of time to have many many Children.. and Cain partnered with one of them..
Just because the Bible did not name other children of Adam and eve does not mean they did not exist.. Adam and eve had centuries of time to have many many Children.. and Cain partnered with one of them..
@Adstar Plot holes
Adstar · 56-60, M
@LosSantosNPC What plot holes?
Pfuzylogic · M
I have no problem with the fact that humankind started with Adam and Eve.
Let me ask you this.
Did you clip your toenails this month? You might have not made a note of it because we can presume that if you wear shoes you won’t be growing them inches long.
Let me ask you this.
Did you clip your toenails this month? You might have not made a note of it because we can presume that if you wear shoes you won’t be growing them inches long.
Pfuzylogic · M
@LosSantosNPC
My Word!
You don’t mind walking into it without looking.
Let me say this another way because something went way over your head.
It wouldn’t be a reach to imagine that Adam and Eve had more children not mentioned in the Holy Bible.
When the Bible brings something up it will touch on the salvation of the world. If not then it is presumed that you have enough information to figure it out.
My Word!
You don’t mind walking into it without looking.
Let me say this another way because something went way over your head.
It wouldn’t be a reach to imagine that Adam and Eve had more children not mentioned in the Holy Bible.
When the Bible brings something up it will touch on the salvation of the world. If not then it is presumed that you have enough information to figure it out.
ExtremeNext · 31-35
@Pfuzylogic 👀
RachelLia2003 · 18-21, F
alabama
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She must have been one of his sisters. Makes sense that sibling incest didn't exist then if humans were closer in body to perfection and couldn't pass on defects to their children like today.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Dont ask the hard ones. You will only upset religious people. Fact is there was only one female in the mix. So someone got freaky with Mom..And we dont talk about that...😷
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Justice4All Who had the sons and daughters, Adam or Seth?
1490wayb · 56-60, M
it is ancient hebrew poetry, not a history book trying explain every detail of creation
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
They had 2 sons while living in the garden. Countless more offspring after expulsion .
@AthrillatheHunt Yeah? Where is that in the Bible?
ChadJNSD · 18-21, M
You don’t question the Bible. You just roll with it.
@ChadJNSD If you’re gullible
Bumbles · 51-55, M
BTW, it’s Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve.
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The Gaza Strip ?
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Does it matter?
Ontheroad · M
A stork?
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Coventry?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Didn't Cain according to the bible end up with Lilith?