"Progressive" Christians be like

[quote]Noooo, you're so ignorant! The Bible doesn't say to kill homosexuals![/quote]

Yes it does.

[quote]It's a translation error, it actually says we should kill child rapists and also the raped child - surely you agree with that?! [/quote]

It's not a translation error. Do people actually say that? The Bible doesn't say we should kill anyone.

[quote]Being gay or trans isn't a sin![/quote]

Yes it is. Being human is a sin.

[quote] It says sodomites (meaning anyone having sex in any position other than vaginal - penis to vagina - which includes queer people as those are literally unable to have that kind of sex) and effeminate men (meaning gender non-conforming men and possibly also trans women) won't go to heaven if they don't repent![/quote]

Not many people go to heaven. Physically no one goes to heaven. Most people won't go to heaven. 144,000 people of all the people who've ever lived will go to heaven in spirit form. The Bible does say that of the 144,000 going to heaven none of them have been with a woman. Some misinterpret that to mean that the 144,000 are gay men only but that is absurd. It means none were ever a part of false religion. False religions are metaphorically referred to as prostitutes.

[quote]See what a wonderful, progressive religion Christianity is???[/quote]

I suppose in a sense that is true. To the Sodomites and other gentiles around ancient Israel keeping catamites (young boy temple prostitutes), pedophilia, homosexuality and beastiality were commonly accepted. To the Greeks and many Native Americans pederasty was commonly accepted. So you think we are going forward or backward?

I think people have a right to be angry at Christianity for the seemingly endless shit it's caused and still causes and condones. I also think people have a right to be angry at Islam for the same thing. I think people have a right to be angry about anything that is systemically oppressive, exploitative, and hurtful in society. And that's a loooong list of things I have regarding that!

That being said...I am in support of those Christian and Islamic groups that accept reality and think of their holy books as mostly historical allegory and not as a literal truth and guide. I'm a big fan of Stephen Fry, and I'm on board with him in alot of ways.

I have left Christianity several times, because I didn't want to support it. I saw hateful crap, and cult like beliefs in it, and in people...
I currently do go to Church sometimes, not often. Because part of me still believes in God, simply because I want to believe in an afterlife where I get to see loved ones again. Idk, why I still do. But I do. It troubles me a lot. Because like Stephen Fry, if God exists, I'm very very angry at him.
But I'm also glad to be alive, idk. It's a weird state of being.

I go to church more because I enjoy the opportunity to have conversations about things and to change Christians minds about hating and discriminating against groups, and try to get them to vote democrat. There are a lot of Christians that simply vote for whatever aligns with traditional beliefs that they grew up being told to do and believe, and alot of them are conflicted about it, because it also feels wrong to them. Which is good. People should question things. People should change and people absolutely need to root out the problems caused by fundamental Christianity.

I'm supportive of any form of religion, and any form of Christianity and Christian, who is willing to stand up to the bible and God, and say Hey, that's wrong. I will choose to love and support people and not discriminate and hate them. People should not blindly follow a holy book to decide everything for themselves and others. I want to be someone who encourages change. Idk

P.s. I think a lot of Christians don't understand the historical and cultural perspective on passages regarding LGBTQ+ in the bible.

I see it as:

It's either hateful crap and should be rejected.

Or it's Christians like Paul calling out exploitative pedophilia that was common in society (like masters violently raping slave boys) which would make sense to call that out as being morally wrong.

I have no idea what kind of Christian that makes me. :/

To conservative Christians Christianity is conservative. To progressive Christians it’s progressive. Most every religion has more conservative followers than progressive ones, so the conservative religious views get heard more.

Similarly, to peaceful Christians Christianity is peaceful, and to violent Christians it is violent. Most any religion is what you bring to it.

People have a right to read the bible and share ideas about it.

Organized religion is like Major League Baseball - great idea bad leadership.