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NewBecky · 51-55, F
Because the wages of sin is death. God is just and justice must be served. He took the very penalty for sin so that anyone who would repent and believe would have forgiveness.
Most people don't want a relationship with God. The cross is a gift they will not accept because they cannot accept that their sins deserve death in the first place. People want their sins accepted, not worthy of death, not forgiven through Christ. They want sins to be enjoyed, not condemned.
We have sinful flesh until we die. The only question is, will we be forgiven or did we justify our sins and not ask for the forgiveness God offers?
Most people don't want a relationship with God. The cross is a gift they will not accept because they cannot accept that their sins deserve death in the first place. People want their sins accepted, not worthy of death, not forgiven through Christ. They want sins to be enjoyed, not condemned.
We have sinful flesh until we die. The only question is, will we be forgiven or did we justify our sins and not ask for the forgiveness God offers?
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@NewBecky Sins = picking up sticks on the sabbath, eating shellfish and tuna, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics. But it's not a sin to stone your children to death or to burn down an entire town and kill everything in it.
Straylight · 31-35, F
I’ve never completely understood that either. Why does God need to make a sacrifice to… himself?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Straylight
To pay the penalty of sin for us...
The penalty for sin is death...
Imagine a human judge adjudicating on a case.. The Law of the land stipulates fines for certain crimes.. This is to stop judges corruptly giving lesser fines to people they like and to stop them giving higher fines for people they may dislike.. So in this case the offender a car thief is found guilty of stealing and the burning the stolen car.. The standard fine for this offense has been established as $50,000 fine or 3 years in prison.. The offender is remorseful for their offense and has confessed to the crime.. The offender being a young poor man cannot gather the required $50,000 dollars.. This means the judge must impose a 3 year prison sentence. But the judge knows this young man is a good looking guy and knows what will happen to him in a prison environment. The judge wants to save him from that kind of trauma..
So the judge first imposes the $50,000 fine and then steps down from the bench and approaches the young man with a check for $50,000 dollars and offers it to the young man as a gift so He can pay his fine in full.. The offender happily accepts the gift and the fine is paid and the man walks away with his freedom and no one can accuse the judge of corruption because the stipulated fine has been paid in full by the offender..
That is an analogy of what the LORD ( Judge ) has done through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ for all sinners who accept they are guilty of sin and are accepting of the gift of the Atonement that pays the death penalty their sins deserve..
Why does God need to make a sacrifice to… himself?
To pay the penalty of sin for us...
The penalty for sin is death...
Imagine a human judge adjudicating on a case.. The Law of the land stipulates fines for certain crimes.. This is to stop judges corruptly giving lesser fines to people they like and to stop them giving higher fines for people they may dislike.. So in this case the offender a car thief is found guilty of stealing and the burning the stolen car.. The standard fine for this offense has been established as $50,000 fine or 3 years in prison.. The offender is remorseful for their offense and has confessed to the crime.. The offender being a young poor man cannot gather the required $50,000 dollars.. This means the judge must impose a 3 year prison sentence. But the judge knows this young man is a good looking guy and knows what will happen to him in a prison environment. The judge wants to save him from that kind of trauma..
So the judge first imposes the $50,000 fine and then steps down from the bench and approaches the young man with a check for $50,000 dollars and offers it to the young man as a gift so He can pay his fine in full.. The offender happily accepts the gift and the fine is paid and the man walks away with his freedom and no one can accuse the judge of corruption because the stipulated fine has been paid in full by the offender..
That is an analogy of what the LORD ( Judge ) has done through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ for all sinners who accept they are guilty of sin and are accepting of the gift of the Atonement that pays the death penalty their sins deserve..
Straylight · 31-35, F
@Adstar Ok, I think I’m getting it. Basically the price of sin was so great that we could never atone for it, so God paid it for us as a sign of forgiveness?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Straylight Yes.. The Way to salvation for human beings is to be justly foirgiven the things that make us unworthy of salvation.. Not by vainly striving to attain perfection to purchace our own salvation.. Thats the difference between recieving it as a gift, not trying to buy it..
kodiac · 22-25, M
God would have also know that jesus wouldn't really die so seems like a set up ,I'm giving my only son ,but uh i can bring him back. If it was a kind of tough love punishing Adam and Eve then why not the same for his son?
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Now think about this. God did forgive them by Sacrificing the Animals and clothed Both Adam and Eve with Animal Skins.
just like God/Christ the Lamb was sacrificed for our sins and clothed us spiritually of white Garments. . if I'm correct? could be the first Prophesy of Jesus Christ in the Beginning of the old Testament.
then there are prophets that prophesied Jesus Christ as well through out the Old Testament.
The New Testament started before Christ was born in a short matter of time. during the time of Joseph and Mary.
just like God/Christ the Lamb was sacrificed for our sins and clothed us spiritually of white Garments. . if I'm correct? could be the first Prophesy of Jesus Christ in the Beginning of the old Testament.
then there are prophets that prophesied Jesus Christ as well through out the Old Testament.
The New Testament started before Christ was born in a short matter of time. during the time of Joseph and Mary.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
The God of the Old Testament really loves to punish.
People can think for themselves and that is one reason Christianity is dying.
People can think for themselves and that is one reason Christianity is dying.
seotelkniwt · F
God is a God of His own word(s) (Genesis 2:17). Adam and Eve were perfect and they deliberately chose to disobey God. They had no weaknesses like we as humans do. They could not say they made a mistake or they weren't thinking clearly. Both knew that what they were doing was going against God's expressed will and purpose.
walabby · 70-79, M
@NortiusMaximus My thoughts exactly! XD
seotelkniwt · F
@NortiusMaximus Genesis 2:16-17 proves you are wrong. They knew it would cost them their life if they disobeyed. Eve definitely knew it would be wrong to disobey God's expressed will for her and her husband when she stated the words at Genesis 3:2-3. The perfect couple, Adam and Eve, were given or created with a free will. They weren't created to be robotic. They could either make the right choice and live or choose to disobey and die. Also, God chose not to know their activity before they sinned; afterall, they were given perfect conditions to live under so there was no need to gauge their activity or foresee what would happen before they sinned.
NortiusMaximus · M
@seotelkniwt LOL! Quotes from a book of fairy stories don't prove anything.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan You keep forgetting that man is just as smart about good and evil as the God character is. And it says that people will judge angels. Therefore, man has enough knowledge to judge the God character and right now God is a failure.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan
The fairytale says that man knowledge of good and evil is equal to God's and that man will judge angels. So, I'm judging God and declaring him a sick lunatic as he is depicted in the biblical fairytale. If he is real I would gladly jump into the lake of fire rather than spend eternity with him.
God chose them for reasons as well, and God didn't choose them because all of them would obey Him all the time and never rebel. Again you are imposing your human motives onto God, and that just doesn't work.
The fairytale says that man knowledge of good and evil is equal to God's and that man will judge angels. So, I'm judging God and declaring him a sick lunatic as he is depicted in the biblical fairytale. If he is real I would gladly jump into the lake of fire rather than spend eternity with him.
anythingoes477 · M
God did not kill Adam and Eve because they were his creation. Killing them would serve no purpose..........but showing mercy by letting them live........with a punishment...........served as a lesson. God is compassionate.........but his rules are firm. Follow the rules........Garden of Eden. Break them........you're on your own.
NerdyPotato · M
@anythingoes477 letting them live with a punishment? Like their grand-grand -grand-grand-grand-grandchildren living in the same world as a person getting tortured and killed?
If that didn't teach them a lesson, I don't know what would. 🙄
If that didn't teach them a lesson, I don't know what would. 🙄
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Maybe he did, we don't know which afterlife they got. Jesus didn't die so we could live good, he died so we could enter Heaven despite sin.
There are a lot of people posing questions like this without looking to themselves. The thing I would ask is which you would prefer, hypnotizing everyone into a perfect world or guiding them knowing there will be failures? Why should a god desire anything different than what most of us would answer to that question?
There are a lot of people posing questions like this without looking to themselves. The thing I would ask is which you would prefer, hypnotizing everyone into a perfect world or guiding them knowing there will be failures? Why should a god desire anything different than what most of us would answer to that question?
James25 · 61-69, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand God created us knowing everything. God created us knowing that we would sin. What purpose is there in knowing when is it used to condemn that which he created?
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@James25 Because forced perfection is imperfection
seotelkniwt · F
@Jackaloftheazuresand an imperfect person that forces another imperfect person or expects another imperfect person to be perfect is truly crazy, and yes it's an imperfect act because the one doing the forcing cannot meet up to the expectations of his/her own expectations of perfection and that of others. Did I confuse you? 😆🤣
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
The Adam & Eve story, at least the Adam part, is repeated when the king of Tyre gets booted out of the Garden of Eden for collaborating with the Egyptians (the snake character).
Carazaa · F
The wage of sin is death. They had to die. But Jesus took their sins and punishment on his own shoulders and if we have faith in him, we will live forever in heaven.
Carazaa · F
@seotelkniwt We will be ruling with God.
Carazaa · F
@seotelkniwt "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Rev 20:4
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa When did the heads get their bodies back? Or did the heads just sit on a table for a thousand years?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Before they ate of the forbidden fruit they were warned that eating that fruit would be fatal. What should God have done? Kept His word (eating is fatal) or say "Just Kidding!"
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@James25 Since when are you and I able to have a logical thought? The point is that the Creator designed the creation exactly as He decided. We are His creation and thus are incapable of understanding the goals of the Creator. We don't know the hour of our birth or our death. We start out having no control over our bladder or our bowels and should we live long enough we will have no control over our bladder or our bowels. As it is written:
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”
James25 · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 and who is God not to listen to my questions and who is God that he would not allow me to question
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@James25 You can question all you want. That doesn't mean you are going to get the answer you want.Just as it is written:
“Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Adstar · 56-60, M
Where does it say in the Bible that Adam and Eve would never have forgiveness???
That's right,, you will find that nowhere..
That's right,, you will find that nowhere..
Adstar · 56-60, M
@seotelkniwt Thats true seotelkniwt.. I wonder why you made this reply?
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th3r0n · 41-45, M
God is just, justice requires blood for sin
God is wise, he foreknew those who love him, and for our sakes he waited and suffered those things
God is wise, he foreknew those who love him, and for our sakes he waited and suffered those things
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@th3r0n
That's the definition of one sick character.
God is just, justice requires blood for sin
God is wise, he foreknew those who love him, and for our sakes he waited and suffered those things
God is wise, he foreknew those who love him, and for our sakes he waited and suffered those things
That's the definition of one sick character.
th3r0n · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes atheists do usually find justice sick
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
God forgave them lol he just punished them for disobeying him.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@James25 that’s why Jesus died….. for all of our sims to be forgiven 🤦♀️ the people who died before Jesus Christs coming could not accurately be held accountable for their sins
James25 · 61-69, M
@DeluxedEdition if Adam and Eve could not be held accountable for their sins then why did God punish them?
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@James25
he punished them because he specifically told NOT to do something that they did. In this instance, he did give them a guideline. That's why they were punished.
if Adam and Eve could not be held accountable for their sins
they could not be sent to hell for sinning when there isn't a specific outline of rules to follow. Which is why in the old testament they are given the mosiac law because jesus didn't yet come to give anyone an outline to followhe punished them because he specifically told NOT to do something that they did. In this instance, he did give them a guideline. That's why they were punished.
TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M
Because God made human in his own image and he wanted the same standards from us as he has but we kept on deteriorating to the sins of the World.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Sometimes a lions gotta kill a gazelle just to remind the other animals it’s a lion .
ExperienceDLT · M
Because the entire basis of Christianity is hypocritical anyway
Poor planning.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan If there is a lake of fire, Abraham needs to be tossed into it.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan According to the fairytale =
John 3:13 (ERV) = "The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man."
John 3:13 (ERV) = "The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man."