Why didn't God forgive Adam and Eve?
If God sent his only son to die on the cross for the Forgiveness of our sins, then why didn't God just forgive Adam and Eve? And save himself the trouble of having his son die on the cross.
This page is a permanent link to the reply below and its nested replies. See all post replies »
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan
When did you do your audit of the souls in hell?
God DID forgive Adam and Eve because they are now not burning in hell. That should be good enough evidence for you that they DID get forgiven.
When did you do your audit of the souls in hell?
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan Maybe you can point me to the applicable book because I don't recall where Adam & Eve went to heaven.
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan That is too funny!! Thanks for the daily joke.
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan
The joke is on you. You have been brainwashed to believe that an imaginary Jewish lich has the ability to save your sinful soul and let you live with him in the giant gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem for eternity although his dialogue has him saying that he had only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. There is no verse with his dialogue that says that he gives a damn about Gentiles.
This is no joke.
The joke is on you. You have been brainwashed to believe that an imaginary Jewish lich has the ability to save your sinful soul and let you live with him in the giant gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem for eternity although his dialogue has him saying that he had only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. There is no verse with his dialogue that says that he gives a damn about Gentiles.
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan Paul concocted the whole thing in order to sell his resurrection religion and to eliminate The Way cult.
And, even if he was real, why in the hell would an intelligent adult in the year 2022 believe in a silly ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish (or Arabian) religious fairytale cooked up by unknown conmen? His reputation wasn't worth a damn in the fairytale so why should he have any credibility now?
As I've said before, if the Jesus character was still wiggling on the cross after 2,000 years the story might have a basis. After all, that would be no time at all in God time, right? But, since he couldn't defeat simple iron chariots made by men that must be something impossible for him to do. He was always lying anyway. How many 120-year-old people do you know?
And, even if he was real, why in the hell would an intelligent adult in the year 2022 believe in a silly ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish (or Arabian) religious fairytale cooked up by unknown conmen? His reputation wasn't worth a damn in the fairytale so why should he have any credibility now?
As I've said before, if the Jesus character was still wiggling on the cross after 2,000 years the story might have a basis. After all, that would be no time at all in God time, right? But, since he couldn't defeat simple iron chariots made by men that must be something impossible for him to do. He was always lying anyway. How many 120-year-old people do you know?
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan Some people claim that Jesus is God. In the Old Testament God was incapable of defeating a weapons system made by men. In the New Testament a couple of Jesus' apostles said that they could call down fire from heaven and consume their enemies but it seems in reality that they were just BSing.
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan Are you respectful to Zeus and to Set?
Read the fairytale if you are going to discuss it =
Judges 1:19 (TLB) = "The Lord helped the tribe of Judah exterminate the people of the hill country, though they failed in their attempt to conquer the people of the valley, who had iron chariots."
https://thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19a.html 3 pictures
Read the fairytale if you are going to discuss it =
Judges 1:19 (TLB) = "The Lord helped the tribe of Judah exterminate the people of the hill country, though they failed in their attempt to conquer the people of the valley, who had iron chariots."
https://thebricktestament.com/judges/iron_chariots/jg01_19a.html 3 pictures
This message was deleted by its author.
This message was deleted by its author.
SpiritualMan · M
@Diotrephes Here is some insight on why God didn't fully give them the victory on driving them out, namely punishment for disobedience.
Judges 1:20 -
20Therefore the Lord was very angry with Israel and said, “Because this nation has violated the covenant I ordained for their ancestors and has not listened to me, 21I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. 22I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the Lord and walk in it as their ancestors did.” 23The Lord had allowed those nations to remain; he did not drive them out at once by giving them into the hands of Joshua.
Judges 1:20 -
20Therefore the Lord was very angry with Israel and said, “Because this nation has violated the covenant I ordained for their ancestors and has not listened to me, 21I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. 22I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the Lord and walk in it as their ancestors did.” 23The Lord had allowed those nations to remain; he did not drive them out at once by giving them into the hands of Joshua.
SpiritualMan · M
@Diotrephes These are good and valid reasons for God not snapping His fingers and defeating the enemy nations in a split second. If the people of God rebel against God, then He has every reason to let things be more difficult.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan He could have always gone with a different ethnic group.
This message was deleted by its author.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan You keep forgetting that man is just as smart about good and evil as the God character is. And it says that people will judge angels. Therefore, man has enough knowledge to judge the God character and right now God is a failure.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SpiritualMan
The fairytale says that man knowledge of good and evil is equal to God's and that man will judge angels. So, I'm judging God and declaring him a sick lunatic as he is depicted in the biblical fairytale. If he is real I would gladly jump into the lake of fire rather than spend eternity with him.
God chose them for reasons as well, and God didn't choose them because all of them would obey Him all the time and never rebel. Again you are imposing your human motives onto God, and that just doesn't work.
The fairytale says that man knowledge of good and evil is equal to God's and that man will judge angels. So, I'm judging God and declaring him a sick lunatic as he is depicted in the biblical fairytale. If he is real I would gladly jump into the lake of fire rather than spend eternity with him.