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BlueSkyKing · M
AkioTsukino · M
@BlueSkyKing There is evidence of both. The Bible. It says Hell, translated from the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades, is the common grave. There's no evidence of that? It says that it's a place where all who die go. No evidence for that? It says there is no consciousness there, no moral or social distinction for those who go there. The Hebrew and Greek words for heaven means literally, high. The physical heavens is the universe. No evidence for that? The Greek word kosmos means adornment. From that word comes the English words cosmos and cosmetics.
See, as intelligent as some people who are Biblical skeptics are, they know much of the pagan Greek philosophies adopted by the later apostate Jewish and Christian traditions but very little of the Bible itself or the people who wrote it.
As for the spiritual heavens the Bible refers to - spirit means invisible. Wind, breath, compelled mental inclination and spirit beings such as God, Satan, the angels. God means mighty/venerated, Satan means adversary and angel means messenger. So, the spiritual there is evidence of, but I would agree that reliable evidence of the spiritual heavens doesn't exist outside of the Bible.
See, as intelligent as some people who are Biblical skeptics are, they know much of the pagan Greek philosophies adopted by the later apostate Jewish and Christian traditions but very little of the Bible itself or the people who wrote it.
As for the spiritual heavens the Bible refers to - spirit means invisible. Wind, breath, compelled mental inclination and spirit beings such as God, Satan, the angels. God means mighty/venerated, Satan means adversary and angel means messenger. So, the spiritual there is evidence of, but I would agree that reliable evidence of the spiritual heavens doesn't exist outside of the Bible.
BlueSkyKing · M
@AkioTsukino You already know what I mean. Detectable, measurable, testable, and falsifiable.
AkioTsukino · M
@BlueSkyKing If evidence means detectable, measurable, testable and falsifiable and heaven and hell doesn't apply to those then saying there is no evidence is meaningless. That still doesn't change the fact that you are giving the theological rather than the Biblical explanations of what those things are. The fact that you and probably most people here can't make that distinction speaks volumes.
BlueSkyKing · M
@AkioTsukino I like methodology.
AkioTsukino · M
@BlueSkyKing [quote]I like methodology.[/quote]
That's fine, but your statement was ideological rather than scientific. You said there is no scientific evidence of heaven and hell and I simply make the distinction between theological and Biblical. If you want to talk about evidence for the Bible there is more archeological evidence in support of that than evolution which calls into question your alleged preference for methodology, but that's another topic.
That's fine, but your statement was ideological rather than scientific. You said there is no scientific evidence of heaven and hell and I simply make the distinction between theological and Biblical. If you want to talk about evidence for the Bible there is more archeological evidence in support of that than evolution which calls into question your alleged preference for methodology, but that's another topic.