Question about Jesus
Would Jesus still be revered and worshipped as he is today if Mary hadn’t been a virgin and he wasn't conceived through immaculate conception?
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I was thinking the other day of this symbolic metaphor.
How Mary was virgin, in the sense that it wasn't the Man that impregnated her but the Spirit itself. We mistook the metaphor perhaps and instead of seeing the Divinity in our beings, that we are all sons and daughters of the spirit, we took it personified to Jesus.
I prefer to see the story as more towards the collective, which is what Buddhists do. All can be a Buddha, as all can be a Jesus, or Mary. With or without babies. Just by recognizing in themselves that they are pure children of spirit.
That is my story, I really like it and it makes me shift my vision of how I see myself and others in light.
How Mary was virgin, in the sense that it wasn't the Man that impregnated her but the Spirit itself. We mistook the metaphor perhaps and instead of seeing the Divinity in our beings, that we are all sons and daughters of the spirit, we took it personified to Jesus.
I prefer to see the story as more towards the collective, which is what Buddhists do. All can be a Buddha, as all can be a Jesus, or Mary. With or without babies. Just by recognizing in themselves that they are pure children of spirit.
That is my story, I really like it and it makes me shift my vision of how I see myself and others in light.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@SW-User I believe that there were factions in the early church before it became standardize in Nicea, that some people took some of these things like the virgin birth and Jesus's resurection as more of an allogory about the transformational power of the spirit. They lost and the litteralists won the debate; hence the dogma they teach now.
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@JimboSaturn thank you for the information. I might look into it.
sree251 · 41-45, M
How Mary was virgin, in the sense that it wasn't the Man that impregnated her but the Spirit itself.
There was no impregnation. You can't use your dirty mind to fathom the immaculate conception.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I think you misunderstand the Catholic Marian teaching of the Immaculate Conception. It has nothing to do with the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, but rather the dogma that Mary was born herself without sin.
To address your question: Jesus Christ is is worshipped as part of the holy Trinity because he was God incarnate, died on a cross for the sins of the world and was resurrected from the dead and lives today. Obviously there are many people who think this is not true, but you asked a question and this is the reason that, I believe, Christians revere and indeed love Jesus.
To address your question: Jesus Christ is is worshipped as part of the holy Trinity because he was God incarnate, died on a cross for the sins of the world and was resurrected from the dead and lives today. Obviously there are many people who think this is not true, but you asked a question and this is the reason that, I believe, Christians revere and indeed love Jesus.
Chiefjustice · 46-50, M
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sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
Interesting question. I'm not sure that those two beliefs are a very big deal outside of Roman Catholicism. Or are they?? 🤔
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@JimboSaturn Yup, special status for certain dead people over all the other dead people is very contrary to scripture, especially if we are praying to them and not to God.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@sarabee1995 I hear some study that said something like 75% of Italians pray to Mary or a saint rather than God. I don't have the details correct I'm sure but it was alarming whatever they were. I was also a very Protestant style Catholic. Much more paired back style of Christian.
sarabee1995 · 31-35, F
@JimboSaturn Same here. I do like the tradition and "style" of the Catholic Mass, but my faith is very Protestant in style.
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Charity · 70-79
It couldn't be any other way - the mother of Jesus had to be two things from the lineage of David and she was through Nathan and untouched / pure / clean.
Immaculate conception is the only way the spirit of God / Holy Spirit could implant the spirit of Jesus within her.
Had neither of the above taken place Jesus would not have been born in a human body, and it doesn't matter whether it was Mary or another woman, but Mary was predestined chosen to carry him to term, and raise him.
Immaculate conception is the only way the spirit of God / Holy Spirit could implant the spirit of Jesus within her.
Had neither of the above taken place Jesus would not have been born in a human body, and it doesn't matter whether it was Mary or another woman, but Mary was predestined chosen to carry him to term, and raise him.
@swirlie I'm not Catholic and yeah I guarantee you've sinned just like me.
Jesus was slung up on the cross exactly for our sins.
Jesus was slung up on the cross exactly for our sins.
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kodiac · 26-30, M
The part they don't talk about [media=https://youtu.be/nQXLNivaF0A]
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
Chiefjustice · 46-50, M
@FreeSpirit1 I still do not understand how he can be considered Son of God? Are Adam and Eve also son and daughter of God since there created by God without any parents?
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
@Chiefjustice Go ask a priest, I was raised Catholic and was once told I ask to many questions, I know they Believe Jesus is the incarnation of God as a Human. so he is the son of god
Chiefjustice · 46-50, M
@FreeSpirit1 i have tried it, a few times and never got an answer which connected the dots back to God having a son, or wife or relative or daughter .
SomeMichGuy · M
Immaculate conception applies to Mary.
If you have a low Christology, it doesn't matter.
If you have a low Christology, it doesn't matter.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
No. Fairy tales don’t have the same cache they once did.
