There is a difference between Jesus and a Creator

This is sadly inaccurate, because there is absolutely nothing in Christianity, as our faith system, that is confused about whether there is an ultimate Creator or not, or anything else in our faith. WE don't [i]have[/i] a problem with any of those things you tried to apply to us. We have no problem with our beliefs; no confusion about them. We know in [i]whom[/i] we have trusted. That doesn't mean we know it all, either. We grow as Christians on a daily basis and learn from His Word. Especially those new to the faith, but we never stop learning and growing in Christ.

When you attempt to project onto Christians that our belief system, [and btw, [u]not[/u] "religion"], forces us to [b]have[/b] "to believe in what the "religion" states, instead of just considering if there is some Creator" you could not be more wrong.

Firstly, if you're going to refer to Christians and our beliefs, please get your statements right, and straight. [b]We don't believe in religion[/b]. Religion is nothing but man-made philosophies. The religions of this world have absolutely nothing to do with salvation. NONE of the manmade religions in this world, do. Jesus didn't die to save "religions". He came to save the [b]world[/b]. NOT certain denominations.

We don't believe in, nor listen to "religion" or religious philosophies. We place our full trust in God and what HE says, alone. We don't have ANY misconceptions about that, nor confusion. We know [b]exactly[/b] what we believe, and why. We know exactly who the Creator of this universe is, as we believe God, when He said He created the universe. Now, our beliefs may not be the same as what you believe, but don't knock us for our solid trust, faith, and full confidence in Jesus Christ, His Father, and the Holy Spirit, as the Godhead and Creator of this universe. Know your facts about us. We unequivocally trust in God, His Word, and therefore, His claim to be Creator of this universe. We believe God is no liar and incapable of lying or error. We don't believe in selectively picking one verse out of the bible, or chapters, and believing only in them, and not the rest of the Bible. In our faith, we either take God and His whole Word as He gave it, as trustworthy... or not at all. There's no in between. We either believe God and His promises in His Word, or not at all. The book of Proverbs, says a double-minded man, is unstable in [b]all[/b] his ways.

Secondly, there's not one thing forceful about our faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ, our Savior. We have a personal relationship with Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, known as GOD or the Godhead, because He is [b]whom[/b] we CHOSE to believe in. Never out of force, but out of our great love and respect for Him and His Son, Jesus, our Savior, who laid down His very life to pay for our sins, so "whosoever believes on Him", could be saved and escape the condemnation sin placed on us all. He forgives us, and gives us eternal life in heaven with Him. John 3:16 and 17. Refuse to believe every part of what God has claimed and stated as Truth revealed to us, and you have rejected God.

God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and NOT by our own efforts or works, lest we boast we saved ourselves (Ephesians 2:8-9). Jesus said we are saved by Grace Alone through Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ on the cross, who paid for our sins, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. He could not have made it any clearer. We are without excuse that "we didn't know". He didn't leave us to guess how to have salvation. He said every person on this Earth will hear about Jesus and how to be saved, before Jesus comes back again. No excuse. That devil would have us in disbelief. Don't worry about how Jesus will do it. Nothing is impossible for Him and He doesn't need our help. He's perfectly capable of taking care of the details.

@Axeroberts [quote]Well we need Him to create us. Lol. But I don't understand this perspective of need.[/quote]

This is the perfect example of wishy-washy philosophy. Changing your mind again. You don't seem to know [u]what[/u] you believe. It's as though you have one foot in the world and one wanting to follow Jesus but that doesn't work. We don't [b]need[/b] God to do [b]anything[/b]. Except for one thing. Save us from the wrath and condemnation that send placed on us. Which is what he did on the cross.

Followers of Christ did not made up someone we call "God", because we needed Him to do this and that, as you insinuate. That's simply not true. You make God to be a figment of our imagination, and that's not faith. That's not trusting in God and his promises, or His Word. As far as salvation, I don't see you feel a need for Christ for salvation, and without that, Jesus said we'll remain lost.

Jesus is God so.....

@Axeroberts Perfect example of your different beliefs, according to whom you are speaking with. Make up your mind.

Zenbra

For me there is an [b]ultimate creator an Jesus is the creator made man. IS this true for you?[/b]

Axeroberts·56-60, M

@Zenbra[b] No. I believe in God as a nondenominational Creator[/b]

Christianity is designed to obscure the connection to ultimate creator as much as possible. Do you know that a priest who worked for the Vatican 100 years ago is the one who came up with the Big Bang Theory? That tells you all you need to know. Believing that this entire realm was the product of happenstance creates room for the controllers to interject their false gods and divide the population through different religions which ultimately guarantees constant separation amongst humanity

Christianity is based upon the revelations contained within the Bible... Not on ones own feelings.. According to the Bible there is no difference between Jesus and the Creator..

Jesus is The Word

(John 1:1-5) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} [c=7700B2][u]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made[/u][/c]. {4} In him was life; and the life was the light of men. {5} And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

So Jesus created the Universe.. All things where made by Him..

(Colossians 1:12-16) "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: {13} Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear [c=7700B2][u]Son[/u][/c]: {14} In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: {15} Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: {16} [c=7700B2]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: [u]all things were created by him[/u], and for him[/c]:"

All things where created by Jesus and for Jesus..

Actually, according to traditional Christian teachings, Jesus and what you call the Creator (God) are One: One God in 3 persons: God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

For me there is an ultimate creator an Jesus is the creator made man. IS this true for you?

Are you a Muslim then?
A Gnostic perhaps?

In John 1 in the Bible. Jesus created everything, and there is nothing he did not create, and "God became flesh and dwelt among us". So it is clear that according to the Bible Jesus is God the creator of the world.

There is in effect "Jesusainity" and Christianity. Jesusainity demands belief, "decision" and all the rest of the nonsense. Christianity speaks of Grace.

That would make more sense than Christianity, with its concept of a god who somehow knows everything, yet needed to ask Adam if he ate the apple, and ask Cain where his brother was. That god somehow didn't know he would have to flood the world to get rid of the people who were behaving exactly as he designed them to behave.