Which belief has more veracity?

The fraud thing was a lie. No proof of any fraud. @Vin53

Yes, the very crux of, the very moment when our fellow countrymen/women continued to want tfg as anything other than tried and convicted, thats when we all became boned.

@Sophie2007

@Vin53 where is this proof of collusion thing?

Oh hillary and her collusion....nvm

A fetus under 18 weeks has a near zero chance of life outside the mothers womb and that at stage is not an unborn child or a baby.
Please try and understand, I know it is hard for men to understand since you will never get pregnant or give birth. You have no right whatsoever to decide, dictate or even debate what any woman should do with her body. The contraceptive pill is a form of birth control that prevents pregnancy and therefore babies being born. Do you want that made illegal as well? Why not fight for free healthcare and free births in the USA and campaign for better child allowances those things would prevent babies and children from suffering. Maybe an end to babies, mothers and children suffering is not part of your agenda? Jesus cared for suffering children - why don’t you? @ProfessorPlum77

@Sophie2007 Since you invoked the Name "Jesus," I wonder how He feels about abortion.

@ProfessorPlum77 It is not a baby until the baby can survive outside the womb.

Jesus is a myth, he was made up by men to control other people. The bible gave certain people power over others The bible was not written until 400 years after the time it was set in.

No body who wrote the bible or the stories knew anyone who knew anyone etc who was there.

And if the church is so concerned about children why is there so much child abuse by religious people?