I have always been an atheist

As a child my Grandmother (who raised me) forced me to go to church every Sunday.
It had no positive effect on me. Sitting for an hour, listening to the guy up front waffle on about stuff I neither understood nor cared about. The whole church singing and say amen so many times.
The only time I have entered a church since those days was for the funeral of my father, brother and grandmother. Plus the marriage of a brother.
I am a much saddened that society is in many ways controlled/steered by religious people forcing their views and morals on what we can and can not do.
Politicians who use their religious views to vote a certain way - Abortion being one issue.
I am not knocking people with religion as the core of their existence but why should they foist their opinions on me and the rest of society?

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froggtongue · M

I think a lot of why this is is that those with strong religious views think the world needs correcting and so are much more inclined to run for governmental offices. We need to encourage fellow atheists to accept that we too need to step up to the plate, both in running for offices and voting. Agreed that a person having some type of religious view isn't by itself bad. But using those beliefs to run the way they govern is a huge red flag.

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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@froggtongue The point I am making is you think based on your religion that the world should be corrected to better suit your religion. I disagree with you. Your religion will result in millions of dead people as we witnessed when ever your idea has been tried in the past. The great proof of Science swung in the door of the cathedral as millions of people were starved to death because they didn't want to go along with the 'scientific state'.

froggtongue · M

@hippyjoe1955 Your atheism is getting you to have wrong ideas. If you'd just accept the Almighty Void of Non-Religion, you'd learn the truth that you're not listening to how people identify themselves. And don't forget about the Crusades and Salem Witch hunts and all those times Christianity and the churches that follow that have killed to convert their followers. Oh and your own god drowned every man, woman and child in a flood if you believe that myth.
Start listening to what I'm saying. Atheism doesn't require rituals. Atheists are simply not convinced of your god. Until you can recognize that atheism is not a religion, that it's secular, and be willing to get back to the subject of mixing religion and politics, I'm not going to entertain you further.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@froggtongue And don't forget that Caesar used to slaughter Christians whom he claimed were atheists. BTW any death is needless unless it occurs from natural causes such as un-treatable illness or old age. However the few wrongfully and evilly killed in the crusades or witch trials pale in comparison to the industrial scale deaths cause by atheistic scientism. The 20th century is bathed in the blood of the victims of scientism. The 21st century is not starting off much better. COVID was invented in a lab. It's treatments were meant to kill not cure. Its death count is still climbing.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

I grew up an atheist and became quite evangelical in my atheism. Then I actually looked at the evidence and realised that atheism was a man made hoax. It simply couldn't explain any of the evidence I saw. Funny thing is the more I looked at the evidence the weaker the case for atheism became. There simply is not enough causation in the natural world. Even life could not have formed in water since water destroys the chemicals needed to form life.

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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@leowander It is kind of funny when you look at Judaism as practised even at the time of Christ. It holds that being born of a 'Jewish' mother makes you a child of God like no one else on earth except of course fellow Jews. Jesus cut that nonsense short when he told a Jewish leader that "You must be born again". IOW your birth into an ethnicity or a religion has nothing to do with your being right with God. Only a changed heart and mind will do that.

froggtongue · M

@Gusman is this discussion alright? I know we veered quite a bit from the original intent of your post. I have in mind to bring some of the discussion back that direction eventually.

Gusman · 61-69, M

@froggtongue It has not got out of hand.
Many posts dealing with peoples views on religion rapidly deteriorate into vitriol and invective.
If it does deteriorate then I will close it down.
Discussion without malice is rather simple and a mature way to put a point across.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

I can live very well with atheism. I can live with a few religions even.

Yet never with any form of organized religion.

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 Take YOUR agenda ELSEWHERE!

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@hippyjoe1955 STOP REPLYING BEFORE YOU CAUSE A FLAG!

You will cause one with enough hidden comments!

Charity · 61-69

Atheist make their opinions just like Christians make theirs as well as other religions nobody's forcing anything on anybody.

Unless of course they're holding you at gunpoint or knife point or some other weaponry and forcing you to sit or stand and listen.

BabyLonia · F

Belief in god is not a bad thing, but when people use the spiritual to politicise opinion for, when they hide behind religion to defend their hatred it then it is no longer about god

Cigarguy101 · 41-45, M

I stopped believing the day my sister was killed

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