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Not Believing in God, but Not Liking the Atheist Label


That, to me, is how I interpret the message within the image above. Whilst it's technically true that atheism is nothing more than a denial of God, in real life it always entails much more than just this simple dictionary definition of the term. Is it nothing more than a mere coincidence that most atheists (note: [b]most[/b], not all) also support far-Left social causes like feminism and abortion? Is it merely coincidental that they also tend to believe our reality has no ultimate meaning, and that morality is relative and subjective?
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
[quote]far-Left social causes like feminism [/quote]

That's the most bonkers thing I have heard this week.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@FormerAtheist Women are still at an immense disadvantage in most countries in the world. Even in Norway which is very progressive women on average earn less than men and are under represented on company boards. As for "just don't need them"., no one has ever said that to me although I have heard that some extreme feminists said that many decades ago.
FormerAtheist · 26-30
@ninalanyon [quote]Even in Norway which is very progressive women on average earn less than men[/quote]
Oh dear! Repeat after me: 'The gender wage gap is not real. The gender wage gap is not real! The..."
Do you know WHY, on average, men earn more overall? I'll give you a clue. Women don't tend to be interested in what we refer to as the STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, maths), which are [b]higher-paid[/b] than your average office job in public relations or advertising or HR. Men get paid extra for doing [b]dangerous jobs[/b] like mining. Being an electrician, plumber or painter is highly paid because those jobs are in high demand; people need electricians, plumbers and painters, and there aren't enough of them to fill the demand.
It all comes down to personal choice. Yes, CHOICE! Women also take more holidays and don't work overtime. They go on leave more often as well, and take more sick days. FACTS.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@FormerAtheist Perhaps all those things are facts in your country. They are quite definitely not where I live, Norway, nor where I come from, UK. There are more young women studying STEM subjects in the UK now than young men.
[quote]Whilst it's technically true that atheism is nothing more than a denial of God...[/quote]
No, it is not. Atheism is, as many argue, the default position. It is belief in the invisible which does not come naturally, and must be taught. However, I suppose one cannot expect an accurate definition from one who unironically uses phrases such as
[quote]...far-Left social causes like feminism and abortion...[/quote]
@FormerAtheist [quote]I don't know how to quote the way you do here, so I'll just type it out.[/quote]
I copy the text I wish to quote, click the "quote" button, then paste.
[quote"It is belief in the invisible, which does not come naturally", you say.
I don't believe this, if only because there are people (I've actually met them in real life, not just online) who say that it's perfectly natural to have a sense of the supernatural, and not believing there can be any more to reality than just what we can observe is strange.][/quote]
Yet many humans teach their children that their claims of having friends their parents cannot see are mere hallucinations, and so many children with heightened senses learn to suppress their perception until they lose it.
[quote]And yes, feminism as it currently is and not how it was in the past, has well and truly gone down the toilet.[/quote]
You would prefer women to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen, then?
[quote]Abortion is murder.[/quote]
You do not wish to debate this with me.
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@FormerAtheist [quote]You make it seem as though they're the only options.[/quote]
Were it not for those feminists you despise, they would be.
[quote]Believe it or not many women actually like the idea of being a traditional housewife[/quote]
Why do you lot always assume that feminism is about taking away that choice? Who is it that has convinced you that the feminist movement is not about giving women the freedom to choose whether or not to remain at home? Someone lied to you, and I want to know whom.
sascha · F
Atheists very much believe in morality, except it is not given by God. Moral realism, if they are to avoid self-defeat by the idea that "morality is relative and subjective", is what they should advocate.

Of course, it does not explain how, and why, we are affected by harm. However, when you can demonstrate that (to use an example) stabbing someone causes pain, blood loss and possibly death, they can avoid the why and how in their attempt to show that religion is not necessary to be moral or exercise restraint.
FormerAtheist · 26-30
@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]And what do you think woke is? It sounds to me as though you are using an erroneous definition force-fed to you by those whom you admire, rather than thinking for yourself.[/quote]
'Woke' (or 'wokeness') as I understand it, is the grossly disproportionate consideration given to the "feelings" of others, and placing those feelings above all else, at the expense of truth, integrity and honesty. It means catering to the worst in people, their narcissism, and reinforcing destructive habits (like over-eating - "fat acceptance") in those people.
@FormerAtheist Wrong.

woke
adjective
[i]ˈwōk[/i]
woker; wokest

[i]chiefly US slang[/i]
1
a
: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
b
: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
woke values/language
2
disapproving : politically liberal or progressive (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
sascha · F
@sunriselover [quote]How you explain how morality developed is a curious one. I know nothing of anthropology.
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It comes from pain. What isn't known is how or why pain, and its opposite, were conceived. We did not conceive them.
An atheist is someone loved by God, but has yet to accept the joy of knowing Him.
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@sunriselover spot on!!
FormerAtheist · 26-30
@sunriselover That's one way of putting it I guess.
Nope.

I am uncertain whether or not God exists. That makes me neither an atheist nor a believer. That makes me an [b][i]agnostic.[/i][/b] For me the existence of God or gods is an open question.

I often find that religious people try to pigeonhole me as an atheist. In their eyes there are only two possible positions. That is the fallacy of the excluded middle, AKA false dichotomy.
Feminism is also a term where people quibble on its definition. If anyone remembers the original social movement, it was about winning equal civil rights and opportunities for women and girls. That’s basically all it was (but no small thing at the time). What others have added often falls into the realm of misandry, which was [b]not[/b] the initial intent.

Personally, [i] sans manquer de respect à M. Camus[/i], I don’t believe for a number of reasons, but I see myself as agnostic rather than atheist because I still have questions.

My understanding is, what makes an atheist is [b]certainty[/b]. 🙂
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
For a while there were some anti- feminist atheists on YouTube. I don't know what happened to them because I stopped watched atheist videos.

You do not have to be far left or support feminism to be an atheist. But maybe there is something about the natural inclination of human behavior and thought when you remove the indoctrination of hierarchy and subservience common in a lot of religions. Especially the Abrahamic ones that causes them to drift away from hierarchies (which is more left on the political scale).

I am an atheist and I actually believe in objective morality. Though we totally lack in proper information and context to act in the most moral way at any given time. The subjectivity that our knowledge and cultural norms impose is ethics. Ethics change over time, morality is static. Our understanding of how moral an action was can change over time as well as we understand more about morality. Example: Slavery was always immoral. At some points in history it was sadly considered ethical. But it was never moral.

Funnily enough, despite believing in objective morality, I do fall into your nihilism bucket. In the end, none of this really matters. There is no greater purpose. No mighty power to appease. But even though nothing matters, that does not make life meaningless. It frees us to define our own meaning. Like a sandbox video game. We just have to be more careful because we don't respawn.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
God/s all an invention of humans. There is no evidence to support the existence of such supernatural beings. Even if there were, there is ample evidence that such beings have no concerns over what happens to we human beings. Religion is merely a way of exerting control over various populations.
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I don't really think about it.

 
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