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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
You know, and I say this as an atheist, there is no belief system in the world accompanied by as much condescending smugness as atheism. Like people are STRUGGLING and it's not because we're in a theocracy. Sure the religious right is doing a lot of bullshit but I've met no shortage of bigoted atheists in my time.
It's like the point of this is to find something that is precious to someone who is struggling and take it from them just so you can be smug and right.
And again, I'm an atheist. I do not believe in God in any meaningful way and I am completely irrelligious.
It's like the point of this is to find something that is precious to someone who is struggling and take it from them just so you can be smug and right.
And again, I'm an atheist. I do not believe in God in any meaningful way and I am completely irrelligious.
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sylvivresavie · 31-35
@Pikachu of course not, but this is a smug post, as is most atheist "discourse", and atheism tends towards an insufferable smugness as a general principle
whataboutism falls flat here
whataboutism falls flat here
@sylvivresavie
Oh well that definitely wasn't my intention. I was doing my best to make this an open and honest exchange of positions without antagonism.
Can i ask what you felt was smug about this post?
Oh well that definitely wasn't my intention. I was doing my best to make this an open and honest exchange of positions without antagonism.
Can i ask what you felt was smug about this post?
sylvivresavie · 31-35
@Pikachu this is a gotcha post. the phrasing of the title is clearly angling for conversion.
@sylvivresavie
How is asking someone their understanding of a subject a gotcha question?
Where's the trap?
With all due respect, you seem to be inferring a lot of subtext to what is meant to be a very straightforward question.
lol and if someone can be converted to atheism by being asked what atheism is then i don't think i was the first domino in that line....
How is asking someone their understanding of a subject a gotcha question?
Where's the trap?
With all due respect, you seem to be inferring a lot of subtext to what is meant to be a very straightforward question.
lol and if someone can be converted to atheism by being asked what atheism is then i don't think i was the first domino in that line....
sylvivresavie · 31-35
@Pikachu I don't believe you're actually this oblivious to the implications of your own post
@sylvivresavie
My dude.
I made explicit in the OP that this thread is not about being combative.
If i ask you a question assume i am asking it in good faith.
If you're not willing to offer me that courtesy or respond in the same good faith then this thread is not for you.
No offense intended.
My dude.
I made explicit in the OP that this thread is not about being combative.
If i ask you a question assume i am asking it in good faith.
If you're not willing to offer me that courtesy or respond in the same good faith then this thread is not for you.
No offense intended.
sylvivresavie · 31-35
@Pikachu Don't my dude me
"I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Santa Claus" is condescending and aiming to invalidate someone's belief
"I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Santa Claus" is condescending and aiming to invalidate someone's belief
@sylvivresavie
I can totally see how it would come off that way and i agree that it is often deployed in that way.
But i believe that clear and honest communication solves a lot of issues lol.
In this case, i made clear that my use of that comparison is not used as a means to trivialize the belief in god but is simply a culturally available example of a belief by which i am not convinced nor could i make the choice to be convinced.
Because that's another thing i hear a lot in this context: You [i]choose[/i] not to believe.
I can totally see how it would come off that way and i agree that it is often deployed in that way.
But i believe that clear and honest communication solves a lot of issues lol.
In this case, i made clear that my use of that comparison is not used as a means to trivialize the belief in god but is simply a culturally available example of a belief by which i am not convinced nor could i make the choice to be convinced.
Because that's another thing i hear a lot in this context: You [i]choose[/i] not to believe.
sylvivresavie · 31-35
@Pikachu It's definitely a choice. You have to actively determine that you are an atheist. You could choose to believe in a conception of God any time. Again, you're being hyper literal.