I Am Pro Choice

Well if you don’t want the possible chance of the father role then you need to abstain fully from sex lol@blackdude

@Sueisright lol that hard, i do hate condoms tho :p

@blackdude lol I am sure I’d hate them too. They must be like having sex with a carrier bag lol

@whynottalk
[quote]live is the only option. The kid wouldn't want to be murdered
Tax payers pay for it of course.[/quote]

Apperently "live" isn't the only option, since you seem pretty invested in discussing this. So there have to be more options, else it would be futile to even have a conversation.

You don't know what the kid wants... so it's better not to speak for the kid.
I also wonder why people are so keen to call it: "kid and baby" especially in the early stages of pregenancy. It's kind of a an emotional argument that doesn't really make much sense unless you want to be all emo about it.

Tax payers have to pay for it, is a totally diffrent conversation. You can have systems where tax payers don't have to pay for annything. So bringing this into it, is kinda futile for the overall conversation that is held. And next to that, with the "adoption" thing, that's ussually financed in a lot of countries too by tax-dollars. But there can also be a system where that doesn't excist. But I find it weird to bring up both things in the same argument.

Marilyn Monroe, John Lennon, Steve Jobs, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. were all orphans...

@bijouxbroussard majority men never take responsibility for a child and they're the ones against abortion. Do you know how many children died in domestic violence or how many of them get a foster parent a year?

@JBird You're preaching to the choir.

@bijouxbroussard I did preach to the audience only to get threatened.

@WellFrog good point! Put your action behind your words!

@whynottalk abortion is not always wrong and necessary when needed if it's fatal to mother or when it's rape. Nope, if a woman ask for abortion, they definitely don't need it or don'twant to go through pregnancy.

@whynottalk I had an abortion and I have no regrets at all.

@JBird I don't even know if that is the true. I don't know the guy, I've not read more then what I read out here. But I think you are just fighting an image of what he is instead of what he said.

"Forced pregnancy"? The story is talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant, not about rape or annything. The pregnancy itself isn't forced on annyone, it's just that the termination of pregnancy is taken away in a legal way.

@Kwek00 [quote]
The story is talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant,
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If someone forces a woman into pregnancy, isn't that pretty much forced pregnancy? Definition of rape is forced penetration which may or may not lead to pregnancy.

@JBird Yeah, I don't know what I have lately, but my language problem in my head seems to be getting worst. Annyway, you are right to point it out, but what I meant to say was:

[i]"The story is[/i][b]N'T[/b][i] talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant, not about rape or annything. The pregnancy itself isn't forced on annyone, it's just that the termination of pregnancy is taken away in a legal way."[/i]

@BlueRain @pdockal
Is choosing to abort pregnancy, not a way to deal with the outcome of your choice to have sex? And isn't that also a way to take responsibility?

@Kwek00 but the child was never given that choice.... aren’t you glad your mother chose life?

@1pebbles the child would only be glad if they're given birth in a safe and happy environment, loved by the parents. They don't want to be stuck in an adoption center or unsafe homes, abused and unwanted. Another reality if the abortion is denied is the death of the mother or leading her to PTSD where mother not able to look after the child, again leaving the child unwanted.

@PlumBerries definitely your typical welfare broodmare.

[c=#7700B2]ohh and I forgot birth control[/c]

@PlumBerries she's talking about marital rape and you're just being insensitive idiot talking about birth control. Some men actually tamper with birth control so that women end up with them having a child.

@bijouxbroussard that is exactly my point.

@bijouxbroussard Those that scream the loudest about these things are normally the most immoral. They hide their immorality deep in their closets and then wrap themselves in the moral high ground on an issue or two.

@MarmeeMarch It's terrible what you said to Harriet.

@helenS She knows me and she also knows that I am kidding - GOD !!!!!

@Harriet03 Harriet ....HARRIET ! [big]HARRIET !![/big] I am on my knees waiting for your forgiveness😭

@ISpeakTheTruth you live in a utopian dream world don’t ya?

@Texanfire It was me!
You've made the points, I was going to raise.. ✌

@tropicaltiger There are plenty of reasons why a woman whould end up getting an abortion, is it a hard decision to make? I would think so. But if she doesn’t have the income to raise a child, the pregnancy is putting her life in danger, if she gets pregnant from rape, etc. then who has those rights? The woman or the fetus?

And it’s Funny how you mention rights. For example, when it’s discovered that a child is gay or transgender their rights are taken away from them by people who consider themselves pro-life. Is it all of them who do this? No.

@tropicaltiger Last time I checked birth control is not 100%. So, lets say that you and your partner are extremely "responsible". He wears a condom and she is on birth control pills, and spermicide and she STILL gets pregnant?? How much control do we as humans truly have? You CAN do every single thing responsibly and STILL get pregnant. Men can and still do leave, women can and still get pregnant, even though they might not want to. But in the end, which gender has to deal with the actual physical and mental part of pregnancy and child rearing? The Woman. So, as a man, if you have a good relationship with the mother, she might hear your thoughts on it. But in the end, it is our bodies and you, as a man, should not be pushing your agenda as an absolute, because you can't physically make happen what YOU want. It ultimately lies with the female. You (men)start carrying the baby THEN you can have ultimate say.

@Harriet03 Here we go, right on time - first of all legally speaking no religion can force you to have a baby in the USA - we also have religion freedom here - so if your religion is forcing you to have a baby (which is impossible) then CHOOSE to leave this so called religion. She is acting like she has no options and I am literally giving out many options.

@MarmeeMarch For a circumstance, that your never going to experience!!

@Harriet03 💆‍♂️

@pdockal unfortunately those children are very few. There are even more number of children not adopted, being abused in adoption center. You can research and find that there are millions of children begging to be adopted and still not adopted.

@pdockal you did the name calling too dude. 😂

@1pebbles all forms of contraception have possible failures, except hysterectomy.

@SW-User that move is way too progressive for us lol

@Texanfire hahaha yeah.. that’s why I don’t even bother to have this convo in real life. I do tend to vote first term pro choice, and access to contraception. 🤷🏻‍♀️ People who don’t want/can’t provide for children does not make for a better world for anyone; not the child, not the parents, and not society

@dale74 that's a rumor, unfortunately for you. Btw do you support marital rape?