I Am Pro Choice

@SW-User why should anyone else be accountable for your child or anyone else's because they don't agree with murdering unborn babies? flawed logic right there

@Torsten yes, they should be accountable because they're the ones forcing women to give birth a child that latter don't want. Therefore they should be responsible for the child. Child negligence is murder too, maybe a bigger crime than abortion by your logic.

@JBird do you support animals such as stray dogs and cats getting put down for no reason other then no one wants them or no room for them? and if not, how many have you adopted being as by your logic, it would be your responsibility to do so

@Torsten I am sorry but there's a teeny tiny flaw in your logic. Pet owners don't have to be [b]forced to[/b] own a pet unlike pregnancy where women can forced to be pregnant. Owning a pet is a choice, they can say no before buying them which quite different to rape. In terms of responsibility, yes, the people who advocate against culling stray animals should also be responsible for taking care of them.

@JBird my point is just because you are against something does not hold you accountable for it. Saying people have responsibility for others babies because they don't agree with the murder of that baby is idiotic.
be a adult and take responsibility for your own actions. You get pregnant, you deal with it however you choose. Doesn't mean others have to accept it.
Lets be honest here though the whole forcing women to keep their own babies is stupid, for a start most women who get pregnant were not forced into it like people try to make us believe. Again take responsibility for your own choices, you don't want a baby okay great. don't have sex unless your guy is wearing a condom and just like that its easily solved in most cases 🤷‍♂️

@Torsten

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my point is just because you are against something does not hold you accountable for it.
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I am not against anything so your point is invalid.

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Saying people have responsibility for others babies because they don't agree with the murder of that baby is idiotic.
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Then how do you justify women dying due to childbirth because they were denied of abortion? Or underage girls forced into childbirth and trauma because 'abortion is murder'? Or children born into poverty? Commenting on something you have no idea of is idiotic.

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for a start most women who get pregnant were not forced into it like people try to make us believe.
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How are you so sure of that?

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don't have sex unless your guy is wearing a condom and just like that its easily solved in most cases
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Lol. I would like to know how effective is this when someone is about to rape you.

@JBird i am not going to keep replying to this because these convos never go anywhere and you bringing up rape now implying a great deal of abortions are carried out because of them is just the tipping point for me. It is the most common thing people say who are for abortions and it shows they never actually research the statistics of abortions done due to rape. It is just a cheap excuse considering abortions out of rape is less then 7% if i recall correctly.
Again do what you want and i say "you" implying for everyone but be a damn adult and stop trying to pass responsibility onto others because your lousy choices

@Torsten the story talks about forced pregnancy, so I am talking about rape. I am living in India, and here most abortions are done mainly due to medical complications and rape.

Also if you are stopping abortions because of a statistic, this is going to happen.

https://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-abortion-denied-womens-health-worsens-20190611-story.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

https://psmag.com/social-justice/these-maternal-deaths-could-have-been-avoided-a-closer-look-at-a-major-new-study

Therefore, stopping abortions isn't right thing too.

@Torsten
[quote]my point is just because you are against something does not hold you accountable for it. Saying people have responsibility for others babies because they don't agree with the murder of that baby is idiotic.

be a adult and take responsibility for your own actions. You get pregnant, you deal with it however you choose. Doesn't mean others have to accept it.[/quote]

I agree with you up until here.
I think it would be better if you stopped there.

@Torsten [quote]
Again do what you want and i say "you" implying for everyone but be a damn adult and stop trying to pass responsibility onto others because your lousy choices
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Oh, yes, judge women for choosing abortion for a valid reason just because someone else did it for wrong reason. Guess what I don't care what you think because in the end no one will help me to raise a child I didn't want or care if I die. Peace

@Kwek00 he's right actually. But he contradicted his own words unknowingly. If people aren't responsible for pregnancy that means they don't have a say when a woman choose to terminate it. In short, they should mind their own business. 😂

@JBird I think you are going a bit strong in this one. I largely agreed with what he said. Not with all of it, but largely.

@Kwek00 half of what he said is right. But he's refusing to see the other side of the story if they completely ban abortions. Moreover the story talk about forced pregnancy, so I am focusing on that part

@JBird I don't even know if that is the true. I don't know the guy, I've not read more then what I read out here. But I think you are just fighting an image of what he is instead of what he said.

"Forced pregnancy"? The story is talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant, not about rape or annything. The pregnancy itself isn't forced on annyone, it's just that the termination of pregnancy is taken away in a legal way.

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The story is talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant,
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If someone forces a woman into pregnancy, isn't that pretty much forced pregnancy? Definition of rape is forced penetration which may or may not lead to pregnancy.

@JBird Yeah, I don't know what I have lately, but my language problem in my head seems to be getting worst. Annyway, you are right to point it out, but what I meant to say was:

[i]"The story is[/i][b]N'T[/b][i] talking about other people forcing you to be pregnant, not about rape or annything. The pregnancy itself isn't forced on annyone, it's just that the termination of pregnancy is taken away in a legal way."[/i]