I Like Philosophy

Focus.. The mutliverse needs no cause.

We think we see cause and effect every day. But we really dont.

Since this is a philosphy topic, ill drop humes billard balls here. The cue ball does not cause the eight ball to move. The energy in the cue balls continues on until it is released to the universe. The energy simply is tranfers.

The big bang being the start is more a matter of language then what happened. And we arent complelty sold on the big bang either... Just seems to be the most likely.

Its just energy and matter from another universe carrying over into ours. The energy and matter is constant. Just going. And the pull of the universe on space time creates quantium waves anf gravity waves that intertwine. That pull of energy materialized and was turned into matter and energy in our universe. Creating its own fields of gravity, eltroradiation, and plenty else.

The energy is still just moving with matter. Pulling on space time and making rifts and waves from the movement. The energy of movement is just being transfered into another form.

A huge amount of this gets into epistomology where we have to discover how we know knowledge. We dont have a direct relationship with the natural world. There is our senses and reasoning that come between us and the world.

Knowledge is gained by refining our structures of understand closer and closer to how the universe actually works.

Of course this isnt the only idea out there, and others have proposed that witnessing cause and effect is the thing we r best at.

When considering and pondering the workings of the mutliverse, cause and effect dont seem to rational. It seems to impose a world of infinate and finite. Which neither one seems to completly play out well enough to make sense.

Its much more rational to assume the structure of cause and effect for the multiverse doesnt apply. Just seems to be the simpliest explination to understand the pheonomnology around us.

No. U r using the cosmological arguement.

Causation is a human concept. Things dont actually cause other things in nature. That is just a human structure we use to understand how things work.

We dont have to ascrib a cause to the universe. Its possible.for the universe to be without cause.

Even the big bang, i know uve probably been told the big bang means we came from nothing. This doesnt seem to be the most likely option.

The big bang was the start of our universe, but there r other universe that exist outside, above, benyond, inside, over, and other direction from our universe. We refer to it as the.multiverse. the multiverse has just always been. No begining needed. Its just here. No cause.

Oh boy, I could argue for hours on end right now about this whole thing but my mind can't process anything so I'll just enjoy other people's posts and post a few lines when I can.

Rather than figuring out about the existence of the universe...what if i told you everything around you was a lie? Illusive? Just fragments of imagination?

FocusReborn · Thanks for the confidence and of course I'll be me and will always be me even though I've paid high prices for it. Would be nice to exchange ideologies and simple thoughts as I don't really meet like minded people often enough - or people sharing my thoughts at all with anyhow.

Ic3Queen - Let others behave as they will - pay no mind to what others are doing. Nothing is more important than your peace in life. I hope to see more of your blogs on here. It's not often you find meaningful content on the internet. In fact, it's pretty damn rare to be honest.

Ic3Queen - I agree with that. I was referring to me knowing that things are basically illusory in nature, in that they're not what they appear to be. These are conclusions I reached on my own through lots of introspection. The rabbit hole of reality goes deep...

Ic3Queen - I'm more than confident that you'll become the person you want to be. Just keep doing what you're doing and keep being you. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and theories. It's hard to find good content on here.

K10vvn - How can the universe be without a cause, and yet "start" to exist at the big bang? If the universe is truly eternal, THEN it can be cause-less. But if it suddenly began to exist, and we're saying it needs no prior cause at all, then we're basically suggesting that the universe brought itself into existence - which contradicts the very nature of what pure nothingness is. 0+0=0. It will never equal anything other than zero. The multiverse theory seems like a convenient way for us to avoid the problematic nature of our current universe. It does little to explain anything. It's merely convenient and obviously theoretical in nature.

FocusReborn · You're right. I'm trying to take it step by step as much as I can so as to avoid the clutter in my head for nothing. :) I don't really bother about what others say usually.

Ic3Queen - To be human is to be alone, I think. Most of us are really just looking for someone to share the journey with. Good luck with the studies! I'm sure you'll smash it.

Ic3Queen - You're doing great. Just keep being you, keep doing your best. Only you know what's right for you, so pay little mind to what others may/may not think. Take it slow, take it easy :)

FocusReborn · Thanks for the kind wishes. My brain feels all mushy right now though hah. I dunno people tell me that being alone is wrong when I find it liberating *shrug*

Ic3Queen - Same here. It's hard to find thoughtful people on here - people who actually want to say something with a bit of meaning.

FocusReborn · Yeah. I try to balance between my connections and maintaining inner peace in some way. I don't mind it though, I found out being alone is where I find myself mostly at peace. Maybe in time you will, it's unfortunate I'm so busy with psychology studies atm. Like 500 pages + to memorize and write about so I got a lot of thinking to do in these two weeks. It's rare indeed that people actually think and try to create some kind of balance between what they think, and the way they live.

Ic3Queen - That's good! Just keep going :)

FocusReborn · Or even people who want to star thinking at all for starters. I'm a very deep person with very deep deep thoughts. I like overthinking everything, I'm a very direct person I'll say it as I think it. It's just people who resort to shallow and derogatory speech that annoy me when they're losing an argument.

FocusReborn · Sure thing. I draft a lot of essays of my thoughts and theories based on experience and the books I've read so far, but I find myself severely lacking in perfectionism towards my ideal self - something always has to come in my way.

FocusReborn ·How do you know that? There's always something new to learn or improve your mindset about some things. If I knew everything, I'd stop reading and lose motivation in pretty much anything.

You are assuming, our consciousness is important for the existence of the universe and not that we are merely a piece upon the path.

You wouldn't be telling me anything I don't already know :) I appreciate the feed back anyway.

K10vvn - Interesting ideas there. Thanks for sharing.