Why do conservatives get to have two parties?

@Adaydreambeliever just an observation of mine lol

@NoahB Many, many, many both in the US and internationally have observed the same.. so it seems you are right there!

@NoahB No, the "M5S" one here in Italy. It's turned more and more populist/nuts over the years as well, but at first it started as a rational alternative to the old right and left coalitions, forcing them to reorganize. Had we had a first past the post system we'd still be dealing with Berlusconi, probably.

@Elessar oh! Very interesting I just assumed you were from the UK. Seems like everyone on here is. Very interesting. I had heard that Italy had a more clarity when it came to their parties. In America is really muddy. Our parties blend into each other a lot more. Or so I’m told at least

@NoahB We tend to have multiple but smaller parties over here, each representing a smaller subset of the political spectrum (e.g. Berlusconi "FI" party self labels as centre-right, whereas "Lega" is more like our alt-right, and "FDI" more at right than even the alt-right). In general no single party can govern alone, and so you always have a coalition, depending on the components it's more or less a situation of compromises and if a party tries to dominate over the other, in general it ends with the dissolution of the coalition and the formation of a new majority.

Which is more or less what happened last year: the alt-right (Lega) was trending on polls, the leader attempted a govt crisis last summer by taking his party off the majority coalition on purpose, with the intention of triggering anticipated elections, but eventually just kicked himself to the opposition as the other party (M5S) formed a new majority with the left (that also was on par with the other two, in terms of votes received in the last elections). Which made the ass of a lot of right-wingers itch, but is perfectly compliant with our Constitution.

And I'd say thankfully, considering how the "alt-right" seems to be dealing with the pandemic worldwide.

@smiler2012 i think they're feeling it now! lots of civil unrest at the moment

@NoahB yes a very worrying trend

@plaguewatcher Very true. looks like we'll have to get our hands dirty lol!

@NoahB there are ways to do this, hard, thoughtful,
But answers are there.
The question becomes how?

@plaguewatcher mass mobilization?

@MalteseFalconPunch if he doesn't forget lol

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout lol McConnel is the only thing keeping republicans relevant. He's packing the courts bc lord knows nobody would vote for more conservative judges

@NoahB the only thing he’s doing is packing courts.. the rest of the time he’s pork barrelling with nancy with tax payers money

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yeah sure buddy. but I guess its fortunate that trump dummies dont seem the long term benfits of McConnell work. You know when republicans were on the downslope he's the only one that never wavered to compromise with democrats when they had literally eveything (House and Senate).

@HairbrushDiva i mean yeah but you know most people aren't ready to hear that lol

@NoahB You mean most idiotic Republican voters aren't ready to hear that. The rest of the world already knew.

@bijouxbroussard I'm mostly speaking about establishment democrats in the party. Elite members like, Biden, Pelosi, Kamala, etc.

@NoahB Kamala’s not a Republican either. Certainly not in the eyes of conservatives; they all support choice, and they supported marriage equality.

@Human1000 Exactly.

@bijouxbroussard idk, other than being anti-gun control I feel like the democrats have slide right on all of those issues

@NoahB The platform hasn’t. There have always been conservative Democrats. Some, but not all jumped ship when more blacks joined the party during the Civil Rights era (Strom Thurmond, for example); the GOP ran off the last of their liberals after Reagan.