I hate capitalist supporters
Hate is a strong word but I can't think of another word that justifies how I feel towards their ignorance and selfishness.
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@O-sure: bro. Don't get me started on our education systems being marxist growing grounds... 😏
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
SWisGoingWoke · M
@BlueMetallChick: Hey, I don't know nothin about AC or DC!
Yes. Guilty.
Yes. Guilty.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@greenmountaingal: anytime commrad
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@BlueMetallChick: lolz
xCoinx · 31-35, M
You're joking right?
1) That is a major major over-simplification of what capitalism is and how it works its like saying - The problem with Christianity is it results in children being sexually molested, like yea ok that has happened but you've kinda missed the whole idea behind it and focussed in on 1 issue that may arise from it.
2) Communism has been tried again and again and again and it has failed over and over. Its a nice idea but IT DOES NOT WORK
That said, it can possibly be argued that maybe Cuba has been giving Communism the best run for its money of any place that has adopted a communist policy. But aside from possibly Cuba can you name me 1 place that Communism has created equality and community?
1) That is a major major over-simplification of what capitalism is and how it works its like saying - The problem with Christianity is it results in children being sexually molested, like yea ok that has happened but you've kinda missed the whole idea behind it and focussed in on 1 issue that may arise from it.
2) Communism has been tried again and again and again and it has failed over and over. Its a nice idea but IT DOES NOT WORK
That said, it can possibly be argued that maybe Cuba has been giving Communism the best run for its money of any place that has adopted a communist policy. But aside from possibly Cuba can you name me 1 place that Communism has created equality and community?
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
not when it's run by a capitalist mentality
xCoinx · 31-35, M
@JovialPlutonian: So none?
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
Lots of good points made, however, the idea of how to allow people to move up the economic ladder has been tested for thousands of years. Capitalism is about people improving their lives through hard work, innovation, and providing what others desire. It works, not perfectly, but it works due to the recognition of the basic drivers of human nature.
No other system allows the poor to become middle-class or even rich the way capitalism does. Capitalism also doesn't guarantee that the rich (elite) will remain in their position.
Capitalism operates on the simple premise that the individual can create wealth, not just share the amount the world has today.
Hate is a strong word and one that should be used sparingly.
No other system allows the poor to become middle-class or even rich the way capitalism does. Capitalism also doesn't guarantee that the rich (elite) will remain in their position.
Capitalism operates on the simple premise that the individual can create wealth, not just share the amount the world has today.
Hate is a strong word and one that should be used sparingly.
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
@JovialPlutonian: My understanding of human nature, gained through reading history and personal experience, shows that competition is one of the driving forces of humanity. Some of that competitive spirit is self-focused and part is to beat or surpass others.
Capitalism gives an avenue for many to prove themselves, not just to feed their egos.
Your view that we should all just share only works on paper. While there is quite a bit of study that has been done on charity, the fundamental problem of sharing is that we each have different opinions on what we need. I may view what I need for 20 years of retirement very differently from you. Yet that doesn't make either of us wrong.
However, if government or other entity mandates that you must share, it then becomes confiscation and that removes incentive to work and produce wealth.
It always comes back to who we are as a species.
Capitalism gives an avenue for many to prove themselves, not just to feed their egos.
Your view that we should all just share only works on paper. While there is quite a bit of study that has been done on charity, the fundamental problem of sharing is that we each have different opinions on what we need. I may view what I need for 20 years of retirement very differently from you. Yet that doesn't make either of us wrong.
However, if government or other entity mandates that you must share, it then becomes confiscation and that removes incentive to work and produce wealth.
It always comes back to who we are as a species.
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
We may agree that we all feel we need different things. Only in satisfying these needs can one determine whether they really need it. In terms of competition, who better for anyone to compete with than one's self. There's nothing to say the nature of humanity can't change, in fact to say that it can't is the only thing keeping us there.
xCoinx · 31-35, M
@sunrisehawk: I agree entirely with Sunrisehawk but I would add 1 more important detail to the [c=#359E00]Capitalist[/c] theory (at least as envisioned and outlined by [c=#359E00]Adam Smith[/c] in [c=#359E00]The Wealth of Nations[/c]) [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c] does not only benefit the rich (or those with initial capital) [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c] if not interfered with by government (that is to say in a free market system) ensures that the best quality is provided at the lowest price.
1) If a person is offering a product that is too expensive or of poor quality his competitors will create better quality products at a lower price and he will either have to lower the price or improve the quality, or alternatively be put out of business.
2) Employers and Employees must eventually reach an equilibrium over time.
3) And this is the most important think [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c] offers that [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] cannot offer, Capitalism provides incentive. Incentive for entrepreneurs to create something that buyers will want, incentive to provide the best possible product at the lowest possible price and incentive for people to work hard so they can reap the personal benefits of their hard work.
This is the 2 major problems with [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] as I see it.
[c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] doesn't explain why people would want to work hard when there is no incentive to do so.
And [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] doesn't explain why some people wouldn't simply take advantage of the [c=#BF0000]communist system[/c] to seize power for themselves.
Both of these 2 problems are addressed by [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c]
1) If a person is offering a product that is too expensive or of poor quality his competitors will create better quality products at a lower price and he will either have to lower the price or improve the quality, or alternatively be put out of business.
2) Employers and Employees must eventually reach an equilibrium over time.
3) And this is the most important think [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c] offers that [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] cannot offer, Capitalism provides incentive. Incentive for entrepreneurs to create something that buyers will want, incentive to provide the best possible product at the lowest possible price and incentive for people to work hard so they can reap the personal benefits of their hard work.
This is the 2 major problems with [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] as I see it.
[c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] doesn't explain why people would want to work hard when there is no incentive to do so.
And [c=#BF0000]Communism[/c] doesn't explain why some people wouldn't simply take advantage of the [c=#BF0000]communist system[/c] to seize power for themselves.
Both of these 2 problems are addressed by [c=#359E00]Capitalism[/c]
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
It's still capitalism and it was inevitable it would go that way. This is what the ppl asked for.
SWisGoingWoke · M
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@O-sure: Well, good ole G.W. told the yanks not to make a two party system, but they did it anyway...