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Why do christians pray?

According to the christian myth, their god has this great plan and always does what's best for us. Praying amounts to asking it to do something it hadn't thought of doing. Isn't it rather arrogant of them to presume they know better than their "almighty god"?
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hunkalove · 61-69, M
Their "God" is responsible for more human suffering than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Trump ever dreamed of. And He doesnt seem to like His Chosen People much either.
[@379861,Sharon] Exactly but objects like God created by humans can have immense power over real people whether those real people believe in them or not. Take Britannia for example. Uncle Sam for another.
caesar7 · 56-60, M
[@379861,Sharon] Hell is on Earth. There's got to be somewhere better than this...😅
Sharon · F
[@2096,caesar7] [quote]There's got to be somewhere better than this.[/quote]
You can hope but that doesn't make it true.
rob19 · M
They're hypocrites or have no idea what they're talking about.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
This 🤞 is just as successful as this 🙏
Sharon · F
[@763897,Harriet03] In my experience, 🤞is more effective.
froggtongue · 36-40, M
[@379861,Sharon] not unless you close your eyes really tightly and think really hard.
[@7558,froggtongue]and tap your toes together and whisper "No place like home, no place..."
JT123 · M
Budwick · 70-79, M
If you see prayer merely as a means of taking some level of control of your life and the world — as a means of leverage — then you will inevitably be troubled by what appears to be unanswered prayer. But if you see prayer primarily as an ongoing conversation with God, then you’ll realize there is really no such thing as an unanswered prayer.
froggtongue · 36-40, M
You cannot bend the spoon. That is impossible. Only realize that there is no spoon. And then you'll see that it is your mind that bends.
Entwistle · 51-55, M
[@7558,froggtongue] From The Matrix?
There's a Buddhist teaching that says the mind and what it sees (experiences) are not separate. We suffer the illusion of duality (me and everything else)..We label things as separate Can you separate your awareness of a cup from the cup itself?
[@589276,Entwistle] Sober up and reread this question.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
According to this Christian, my prayer is not me speaking to God but rather God speaking to me. I won't tell you how.
Sharon · F
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] Take care with using hallucinogens, they can cause irreversible damage.
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Sharon · F
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] Abuse deleted.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Idiots tend to delete posts that prove their thesis wrong. It happens a lot with you.
SW User
[@519017,rob19] No... actually... we point out how stupid and ignorant of the issue nonbelievers are. The initial post here is case in point.
Sharon · F
[@1175148,Djc54] Care to explain your objections or are childish insults the limit of your debating skills?
rob19 · M
[@379861,Sharon] Judging from his other relies on this site, it appears childish insults are his limit.
Emosaur · M
Not to mention there's a Bible verse which says their god stopped listening to us at some point.
SW User
[@10662,Emosaur] Yeah, that's not what that verse says... or means. But then again you've showed no knowledge at all about the things you comment on, nor any interest in getting any.
... as I've mentioned before, that won't end well for you.
Sharon · F
[@1175148,Djc54] What does it mean then, and why can't christians even agree on its meaning?
Emosaur · M
[@1175148,Djc54] I get it, I get it.. Bible verses you don't like actually mean the exact opposite of what they say...
Carazaa · F
Yes we should always pray "your will be done" but if we have faith and love Jesus he promises to give us the desires of our heart, and I know this to be true. Because I have noticed that when I talk to God all day being thankful for everything, he gives me things that I haven't even prayed for [i]yet! My 5th post shows some miracles God has done in my life. No coincidences, they are MIRACLES![/i]
Sharon · F
[@1175148,Djc54] [quote] At least not real ones [/quote]
The old "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
Emosaur · M
[@379861,Sharon] Abrahamic theists seem completely unable to learn about fallacies...
Carazaa · F
[@1175148,Djc54] 🤗 Thank you!
Mercury79 · 46-50, M
That’s a great question, Sharon. I’ve asked it myself. Jesus said, your Father knows what you need before you ask. So why ask? Why ask anyone for anything? We should just give to one another intuitively.
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I’m being a little facetious... I think it’s important to acknowledge our need before God... that’s what prayer is for. It has nothing to do with advising God... He knows us far better than we know ourselves.
SW User
[@10662,Emosaur] It says no such thing - and he clearly demonstrated that to you. Again and again you spin on your own assumptions, that have no basis or logical reasoning that follows even the point you were trying to make. I mean - you're intellectually hindered (we noticed), but still...

To take your own SW profile - you're in serious need of listening to a reality check.
Sharon · F
[@1175148,Djc54] How do you intend to explain yourself to Odin when you meet Him at the Doors to Valhalla? That meeting won't end well for you.
Emosaur · M
[@1175148,Djc54] Enlighten me then, wise man. What does that verse actually say?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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kanha · 31-35, M
they need to ask the lord for forgiveness after carrying out a lot of sins weekly. Sunday morning they are washed clean of all sins and ready to repeat the same next week.
Sharon · F
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] You must have very low standards if you consider Ecclesiastes good poetry. Now that really is hilarious! 🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
[@379861,Sharon] It has wisdom that you can't grasp. It is great poetry even when translated from its original Hebrew. Sadly for silly people like you it is completely lost. Kind of like a quadratic equation is lost on a monkey you too are lost when facing the depth of understanding Ecclesiastes provides. The joke is on you but you aren't bright enough to catch it which makes it even funnier. You remind me of a cat chasing a laser pointer. Never catching it but never giving up. Great fun for the person waving the light watching the silly animal think it is going to catch it this time for sure.
Sharon · F
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] I see you've had to resort to childish insults as usual. You're so predictable.
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
I use prayer as a way of quieting my mind and speaking to God. Of course I ask for specifics but that’s the selfish part of me. I pray for peace for myself and for others. Sometimes I don’t pray at all but question and speak to God in anger.

I don’t presume to know anything...but I know when I pray I feel better when I’m finished.
Emosaur · M
[@6912,Pinkstarburst] [quote]"There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being." (Joshua 10:14)[/quote]

🤔
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
[@10662,Emosaur] Why are the majority of your quotes scriptures from the Old Testament?
Emosaur · M
[@6912,Pinkstarburst] Because last time I checked, the OT was still a part of the Bible, just like the NT.
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Sharon · F
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Sharon · F
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Degbeme · 61-69, M
WiFi is down? 🤔
Carazaa · F
[@72117,Degbeme] 😆
Disguised · 51-55, M
Heaven knows.........
Carazaa · F
[@19889,Disguised] 👍
when my mom was pregnant I prayed for a puppy but got a sister
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Sharon · F
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Karmalives · 51-55, M
I dont believe in God, but I dont knock the believers either... who the fuck am I to judge.
But I will say this,Hope is pretty useless WITHOUT action, Same could be said about Prayer 🤔
Carazaa · F
[@475034,Karmalives] 🤗God gives me joy and so much without me doing anything very often, like he opens doors and often without me even asking for anything. I am just so thankful and I am amazed how good he is. I love Jesus so much!💖
Karmalives · 51-55, M
[@889684,Carazaa] Well if it works dont fix it 😉
Sharon · F
[@475034,Karmalives] I find prayers to the Great God Fuck very effective. As in, "Oh Fuck, where did I leave my keys?" He answers my prayers by making them miraculously appear. That proves Fuck is real, He is so amazing.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Hi Sharon.

When you talk to your Mom / Dad - is it only to ask for things?

I talk to God often.
I like to stay in touch.
Emosaur · M
[@841775,Budwick] [quote]"There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being." (Joshua 10:14)[/quote]

🤔
LoveTriumphsOverHate · 31-35, M
You are correct

Matthew 6:7

7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
Sharon · F
[@889684,Carazaa] No, you've simply attributed events to your god. You could just as easily and with equal validity have attributed them to any other god or mythical being. If I misplace something and say "Oh Fuck, where is it?", when I subsequently find it does that prove the Lord Fuck lives?
Emosaur · M
[@889684,Carazaa] 1. Personal testimony isn't evidence.

2. If it were you'd have to believe that other gods are real as people of other religions claim to have experienced their gods.
Sharon · F
[@10662,Emosaur] [quote]1. Personal testimony isn't evidence.[/quote]
It can be but, in court, it's tested by cross examination. As you allude to, I could say I have seen The Flying Spaghetti Monster do miracles for me and I know it is true! My claim would be no less valid.
latinbutterfly · 41-45, F
I can try to explain it to you, but the only way for you to truly understand it is if were to try it yourself 🤷🏻‍♀️.
latinbutterfly · 41-45, F
[@379861,Sharon] [quote]If your god has a perfect plan but hasn't given you whatever it is you're praying for, don't you think there's a reason for it?[/quote]

Well you see, that's one thing that even Christians themselves don't always understand, including myself. Basically, it's either in God's plan and He doesn't want you to have it at the moment, or it's not in His plan at all.
Sharon · F
[@876949,latinbutterfly] [quote]Basically, it's either in God's plan and He doesn't want you to have it at the moment, or it's not in His plan at all.[/quote]
So, if he doesn't want you to have it, you're asking him to overrule himself. Alternatively, if it's not in the plan you're asking him to change his [b]perfect plan[/b] to an imperfect one just to suit you. I'd say either of those is arrogant.
latinbutterfly · 41-45, F
[@379861,Sharon] You know what? That's a good way to put it 🤷🏻‍♀️.
This is sad that you choose the Spirituality category to post this silliness. Wouldn’t it be simpler to put it in the “I hate religion” category?
rob19 · M
[@379861,Sharon] Some of the christians here are total scum.
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caesar7 · 56-60, M
...to save their bloody souls!!!!!!!

LoveTriumphsOverHate · 31-35, M
[@2096,caesar7]
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[@2096,caesar7] welllll the gif IS from the mortal combat movie thouuu so gota give him some credit ;)

/s btw
billstickers · 36-40, M
For entertainment.
[@379861,Sharon]
The rivers run deep with you 😂
billstickers · 36-40, M
[@406494,SomeLikeItHot] Very deep and the rivers.
[@402501,billstickers]
I have to act as dumb as her or she will delete my comments...a bit like an abusive spouse! 😝
RedBaron · M
Because they're goyim!
GerOttman · 61-69, M
The pope says they have to! Gotta do it if the pope says so..
GerOttman · 61-69, M
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] typical heretic thinking, current scientific theory holds that god used the glaciers to make a martini on the seventh day when he rested and watched football.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
[@755518,GerOttman] OK. If you say so.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
[@10033,hippyjoe1955] now you're being sensible!
Entwistle · 51-55, M
Because they want something or they are scared.
[@374012,NortiusMaximus]
Grew out...you might have never become a member of the church.
Sharon · F
[@374012,NortiusMaximus] [quote]I was too, it was common in those days, but then I grew up.[/quote]
Same here. It was a legal requirement for schools to attempt to indoctrinate us here in the UK.
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RedBaron · M
Because they actually think Trump still has a path to winning the election. It's a fine line between delusion and prayer.
[@10662,Emosaur]
You have no idea where my epistemology took me. You are a child.
Emosaur · M
[@406494,SomeLikeItHot] Actually, I'm an adult. I know you guys think reality changes based on your beliefs, but it doesn't work that way lmao.
[@10662,Emosaur]
Okay...child was a derogatory term.
Your cynicism has fermented for at least 15 years.
SW User
Yeah, no... that's not even remotely an understanding of prayer.
Sharon · F
[@1175148,Djc54] Care to elaborate? As it stands, your claim is meaningless.
froggtongue · 36-40, M
I keep saying I should read the whole anthology to know all the stories. Maybe we can start a Christian Bible study group. What do you guys say?
[@7558,froggtongue] My friends? Nani? My friends don't give a shit about bible study for the most part.
Carazaa · F
[@7558,froggtongue] Exactly,That's why we have the 10 commandments! And one is [b]"you shall not murder"[/b]
froggtongue · 36-40, M
[@889684,Carazaa] unless you do so in the name of Yahweh. In which case, as many as you can.
Tres13 · 51-55, M
That Biden stays in the WH Basement
Carazaa · F
[@476434,Tres13] 🤨
Steve42 · 51-55, M
If you are having a conversation with God and Hes "not moistening" The problem is probably that you haunt stooped talking.
Sharon · F
[@131646,Steve42] I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
froggtongue · 36-40, M
[@379861,Sharon] you heard him. Don't stop moistening or Jevovah will kill you.
alongalone · M
Hi well I'm not a christian but if I'm hanging off the side of a building I guarantee I will be dearly sincerely praying to god to save me.. maybe it's just human nature that we made a god up to pray to and help us in such times when there is nothing else.
Sharon · F
[@1136877,alongalone] Which god though? You better get the right one but I suspect it would be whichever one you've heard most about in the environment you were bought up in.

In the situation you describe, some of us would pray to the great god Fuck. I've found He often answers my prayers as in "Oh Fuck, where did I put my keys?" Maybe you've prayed to Him too.
alongalone · M
Oh any ole god will do I'm not picky. Thanks for the giggle.. 🙂
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[@46009,newjaninev2]
You ran away from the proposition of the Cambrian Radiation. You ran away from permutations if you even know what that term means.
Hint for game players:
It has nothing to do with “expansion” theory! 😂😂😂
newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
[@406494,SomeLikeItHot] In what way does your refusal (or inability) to respond to my questions equate to me supposedly having ‘run away’?

What does Cosmic Expansion have to do with your unsupported claim that evolution is 'another contrived theory’?

A claim from which you continue to run away
[@46009,newjaninev2]
You entertain so easily.
What is it like to come from Lucy?
Zonuss · 41-45, M
You're a misguided and lost soul. I understand.☺️
Entwistle · 51-55, M
[@322117,Zonuss] Stop being silly.
Sharon · F
[@322117,Zonuss] [quote]Explain to us why people see objects that move by itself or see spirits[/quote]
There are several, perfectly rational, possible explanations. Gravity; hallucination; simple optical illusion. I don't exclude to possibility of ghosts but they're not necessarily the spirits of dead people.
TheDevilYouNeed · 51-55, M
So they can pretend they are doing something constructive.
MarkS · 46-50, M
Our creator does whatever our creator wants. Our creator can do with us whatever our creator wishes.
Prayer is a form of energy.
Sharon · F
[@970756,MarkS] [quote]Our creator does whatever our creator wants[/quote]
So praying to it is pointless.
That would be supplicatory prayer. There is also service prayer, where you pray because God wants you to. In both cases you are attempting to align your will and God’s.
Abstraction · 56-60, M
Do you really want a thoughtful answer from a christian perspective because you think it's something no-one thought of, or is it just a conversation point? I'm not being sarcastic or critical, I'm just asking.
Sharon · F
[@608929,Abstraction] [quote]Do you really want a thoughtful answer from a christian perspective [/quote]
Yes. Based on the evidince I'm aware of, praying make no sense. Additional evidence or an alternative [b]logical[/b] explanation of the evidence could prove helpful. Unfortunately, questioning christianity tends to attract childish insults and propaganda rather than reasoned debate. Members of other religions seem much more willing to discuss their beliefs in a reasonable manner.
Abstraction · 56-60, M
[@379861,Sharon] The Christian view is that in some sense all humans have an 'image' of God within us - flawed as it is, obviously way down the scale, but something about our consciousness and personhood reflects something in God - the essence of which is seen in who Jesus was. So prayer is viewed as a way of connecting with God, hopefully becoming a bit more like him - well, that can be hit and miss as you know ;) - and then prayer can also be cooperating with God so that rather than us simply thinking up things from our rather faulty, self-absorbed perspective - in prayer we become aligned with him. I also would say you can observe aspects of that 'image' in people who think the whole idea of God is nonsense, yet they care about justice, work towards making the world a better place, etc. (And the bible acknowledges that as well, actually.)

If I stood in your shoes, what I said here would sound like a strange rationalisation, i really get that. In my shoes, with my experiences, it makes sense.
Sharon · F
[@608929,Abstraction] [quote]The Christian view is that...[/quote]
Are you really a Christian? It's very rare that Christian admit their beliefs are just opinions, they usually state them as irrefutable proven facts.

[quote]in prayer we become aligned with him. [/quote]
OK, that's sounds reasonable from a believer's perspective. It doesn't answer the question of why Christians ask their god to change his plans though.

[quote]people who think the whole idea of God is nonsense, yet they care about justice, work towards making the world a better place, [/quote]
Those qualities are found in Atheists and members of other religions. Their is no objective reason to believe they originate from the Christian god.

[quote]If I stood in your shoes, what I said here would sound like a strange rationalisation, i really get that. In my shoes, with my experiences, it makes sense.[/quote]
I can understand how it would make sense to one who starts from the premise that their god exists. I know members of other religions who say much the same in relation to their beliefs.


It makes a pleasant change for a Christian to offer a polite, reasonable explanation of his or her beliefs, rather than insults and propaganda. Thank you.
faseny · 70-79, M
Praying is more intended as a form of communicating with god rather than a request for assistance though it is also used in that way. As a sailor I have in rare occasions been in appreciable danger and have called on god, atheists on such occasions I have found to be notable by their absence lol
faseny · 70-79, M
[@7558,froggtongue] Thank you for gracious apology
froggtongue · 36-40, M
[@1188180,faseny] I know I make mistakes. I only pray that I'm strong enuff to admit them. 😄
froggtongue · 36-40, M
[@889684,Carazaa] why does your good god send your evil god to do his work when your good god knows already the answer. I'm starting to believe now. I'm believing you're really an atheist trolling all of us because there's no way you can keep spouting off this content and actually continue to believe it.
Because they're supposed to ._.

And you got something wrong :v
Praying doesn't mean they know better than God 😂
It's a form of worship
Sharon · F
[@643614,Babylon] [quote]she was equating asking from God in prayer to be the same as knowing better or requesting to "change the plan" (if I'm not mistaken) ._.[/quote]

You are mistaken. My point is that, if whatever one asks for is part of one's god's plan, one must believe it will come about reqardless of one's prayer. If, however, it is not part of the plan, the request anounts to asking the plan be changed.
[@379861,Sharon] [quote]Why do christians pray?
According to the christian myth, their god has this great plan and always does what's best for us. Praying amounts to asking it to do something it hadn't thought of doing. Isn't it rather arrogant of them to presume they know better than their "almighty god"? [/quote]
[quote]The point is, christians frequently claim their god has a perfect plan for us all so asking him/her/it to change it to suit them seems to be rather arrogant [/quote]
Please re-read your words. Clearly you can retract your statements but you can't act like you didn't say this ._.

And in both cases, you assume we know what is a part of the plan which requires you to explain why and where you got this thinking from 😪
IF we knew we weren't getting something, then obviously it would mean we're requesting something we are not going to get. That still won't mean we "know better." I see where you're coming from but just make sure that in the future if you wanna talk about religions that you do it justly. I'm not a Christian and would teach against it but I don't like any misrepresentation of any group's beliefs. Even those I cannot support
Sharon · F
[@643614,Babylon] [quote]you assume we know what is a part of the plan[/quote]
Where do you get that idea from? Nothing in my OP suggests that at all.

[quote]IF we knew we weren't getting something, then obviously it would mean we're requesting something we are not going to get.[/quote]
Of course we could be asking for something we wee going to get anyway but just didn't know at the time. In such cases however, the request is superfluous as it achieves nothing.

You're criticism is aimed at a strawman.
Thevy29 · 36-40, M
Not all prayers need to be answered. Its good knowing some one there is listening.
Sharon · F
[@622125,Thevy29] [quote]Its good knowing some one there is listening.[/quote]
How can you know (as opposed to just believe) they're listening if they don't answer?
Thevy29 · 36-40, M
[@379861,Sharon] If there is an all powerful entity out there and he was in charge of creation (I believe its a he, no woman could or would fuck things up so bad) Then he has a lot of stuff to do. And I wouldn't presume on our friendship.

Think of it as triage in the ER. If god doesn't answer you its because shit just got real else where.
rjc36 · 56-60, M
I pray for guidance not for something that was not though of by god but not though of by me.
faseny · 70-79, M
But we dont know what the plan is dont really know if there is a plan. All we know of God comes from the teachings of Christ.
Sharon · F
[@1188180,faseny] [quote]Anything which cannot be definitively be proven remains a belief of a theory. [/quote]
Don't confuse everyday "theories with scientific theories. The latter are complete, coherent and consistent explanations of the evidence.

[quote]I have yet to meet anyone in my Branch of Christianity who is a dogmatic table thumper[/quote]
The bible thumpers would probably say you're not a true Christian. ;)
faseny · 70-79, M
[@379861,Sharon] Bible thumpers have no proper understanding of the religion they claim to follow. I am a very poor example of a Cristian but what I am posting are views that would be held by possibly most supporters of mainstream reformed Christianity. There are two answers to existence, either what we regard as supernatural or that there is a scientific one but we don't know enough yet to produce the formula. I find the former more attractive.
Sharon · F
[@1188180,faseny] [quote]Bible thumpers have no proper understanding of the religion they claim to follow.[/quote]
They would say the same about you and other moderate Christians. The problem for any impartial third party is that there is no objective way of determining which group (if either) is correct.

[quote]either what we regard as supernatural or that there is a scientific one but we don't know enough yet to produce the formula. [/quote]
There's no real difference. The supernatural is just a term for some things we don't [b]currently[/b] have an explanation for. Therefore your second option is just a description of the first but, unlike the first, doesn't discourage or prohibit further investigation.
Entwistle · 51-55, M
Marmeemarch maybe you shouldn't drink on an empty head?
Adogslife · 61-69, M
[b] Why do christians pray?[/b]

Everyone prays. Some just do it with a quarter and a scratch ticket.

[b]Hope[/b]
faseny · 70-79, M
[@397348,Adogslife] Interesting point [@397348,Adogslife]
Sharon · F
[@397348,Adogslife] [quote]Some just do it with a quarter and a scratch ticket.[/quote]
Sometimes their prayers are answered. That proves beyond any shadow of doubt that Lady Luck lives! :)
Because after prayers there is a party. 😅
carpediem · 61-69, M
Wow. I'm not a very religious person but was struck at the level of disrespect you have for those who are. I've never understood how someone could be so disrespectful towards another's beliefs when those beliefs are causing them no harm whatsoever. Just wondering... are you British?
Carazaa · F
[@112526,carpediem] I feel it is disrespectful, but I expect it since Jesus said that in the last day mockers would increase.
Sharon · F
[@112526,carpediem] [quote]You attack the very core beliefs of a Christian [/quote]
No, I question those beliefs.

[quote]As such you're not worth my time.[/quote]
Good riddance to you then.

[quote]No use for anyone like you in this world.[/quote]
Good, I don't want to be used by hate mongers like you.
Sharon · F
[@889684,Carazaa] [quote] Jesus said that in the last day mockers would increase.[/quote]
That would explain why some christians deliberately spout complete nonsense, thereby holding themselves up to ridicule to fulfill the "prophecy".

 
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