BohemianBabe · M
It's way too late for that now. I would like to say that at some point, the current Republicans will all have died or retired, and maybe the next crop would at least believe in western values enough to fight for them. But there's also the issue of right-wing media driving right-leaning voters further and further to the Right. The problem isn't just the GOP, it's the entire right-wing establishment.
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SamInAZ · 46-50, M
@BohemianBabe you are the manifestation of weakness in human form
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PrivateHell · M
I have heard calls for this for quite awhile now. Not surpringly, it's generally from Liberal Democrats, as if they should have ANY say in how their opposition operates (especially when their own party's core isn't doing so well either).
Suggesting people should be able to pass testing to enter or participate in politics sounds kind of odd from a side that screams "voter suppression" every time you turn around. What happened to "every vote counts" (though they clearly didn't in this last election)?
The very idea of demanding members pass a test before entering or participating should terrify anyone who truly knows history. If we allow this, how long before we see a repeat of the Stalin Purges happening here?
Suggesting people should be able to pass testing to enter or participate in politics sounds kind of odd from a side that screams "voter suppression" every time you turn around. What happened to "every vote counts" (though they clearly didn't in this last election)?
The very idea of demanding members pass a test before entering or participating should terrify anyone who truly knows history. If we allow this, how long before we see a repeat of the Stalin Purges happening here?
bijouxbroussard · F
@PrivateHell You cannot “both sides” when the President of the United States is involved. That’s the whole ballgame, the highest office in the land, and he has to take responsibility. Trump even said so—before the job was his, of course.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@PrivateHell This reminds me of the voter registration test that Democrats passed throughout the South that was designed to prevent Black Americans from voting. 100 years after the civil war, Democrats were still treating Black Americans as non-citizens, preventing them from voting, restricting where they could and couldn't live, restricting them from going to some schools and universities.
hartfire · 61-69
@PrivateHell That's not a bad point.
But how does society deal with the reality that Hitler and Mussolini were democratically elected?
How to we prevent people subverting the democratic process from within parties? What's been happening in the Republican party is not the only problem.
In other countries, branch stacking has become a common practice. It's illegal and it is usually caught - but by the time it is, a lot of damage has been done.
But how does society deal with the reality that Hitler and Mussolini were democratically elected?
How to we prevent people subverting the democratic process from within parties? What's been happening in the Republican party is not the only problem.
In other countries, branch stacking has become a common practice. It's illegal and it is usually caught - but by the time it is, a lot of damage has been done.
PrivateHell · M
@bijouxbroussard well said so let's round up all whom behave this way...
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
@hartfire The vast majority of members of the press are registered Democrats. Leadership and key personalities for most of the information and entertainment networks routinely serve within Democrat administrations.
Should they all be likewise put on probation for a year and made to pass an attitude test before employment by the various media networks?
Should they all be likewise put on probation for a year and made to pass an attitude test before employment by the various media networks?
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
The Republican Party is a lost cause. It cannot be reformed. If "real" conservatives (as opposed to fascists) want a party to rally behind, they're going to have to leave the GOP and form a new one, which most of them won't because they're conservatives and they hate change, and they recognize that such a move would effectively cripple their political goals for at least a generation.
hartfire · 61-69
@DunningKruger Spot on!
Trump may have overplayed his hand.
He may have caused the Reps to be thrown out of power for at least 8 years.
Trump may have overplayed his hand.
He may have caused the Reps to be thrown out of power for at least 8 years.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@hartfire It'll never happen !
Carla · 61-69, F
That all sounds good. But the people elect their representatives, knowing the length of their terms. It is on voters to know whom they are seating. Information is too easy to get.
All representatives do now swear an oath to the constitution.
And rogue representatives are held to ethics rules, or are supposed to be.
If 85 million people voted to re elect trump, trump would be president. Those same people would know full well that trump wished to be king. If he became king, democracy would be dead and those that elected him would be at fault. Not trump.
For this country to keep its democracy safe, it is up to the people to protect it.
All representatives do now swear an oath to the constitution.
And rogue representatives are held to ethics rules, or are supposed to be.
If 85 million people voted to re elect trump, trump would be president. Those same people would know full well that trump wished to be king. If he became king, democracy would be dead and those that elected him would be at fault. Not trump.
For this country to keep its democracy safe, it is up to the people to protect it.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@hartfire I wish I could have provided my own nuanced take on it, but Saagar did such a comprehensive take on the issue that I had nothing really to add. Considering he's a conservative himself, it's a much more enlightened and grounded perspective on the matter. Although he'll still insert his own brand of snarky cynicism into his analysis given how much of a circus it's been trying to sort out the aftermath of the attack
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
hartfire · 61-69
@Quetzalcoatlus Ha ha ha!
Yes, it will probably look like a heady version of the same.
Yes, it will probably look like a heady version of the same.
hartfire · 61-69
@MasterLee Yeah.
Ridiculous tweets and revenge against anyone who disagreed with him - these were hallmarks of Trump's entire reign.
He is like a three-year-old who chucks a tantrum as soon as he sees things are not going his way.
Sometimes he retracts his statements, but only when scripted and under extreme pressure from behind the scenes.
So many of his staff either resigned or were sacked that there was no stability.
He did partially achieve some of the economic goals of the Republicans - but the cost was so high that I think he will go down in history as the USA's worst president.
Ridiculous tweets and revenge against anyone who disagreed with him - these were hallmarks of Trump's entire reign.
He is like a three-year-old who chucks a tantrum as soon as he sees things are not going his way.
Sometimes he retracts his statements, but only when scripted and under extreme pressure from behind the scenes.
So many of his staff either resigned or were sacked that there was no stability.
He did partially achieve some of the economic goals of the Republicans - but the cost was so high that I think he will go down in history as the USA's worst president.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
I dont see the Party as the problem. Its the people who are the problem. The "system" relies on patronage, donations and lobbying to steer votes and policy. Those people have to be sidelined and limited to legitimate voting and information roles. And the voters need to change their view and accept their responsibiloity for how far off the rails thier representatives and the party have been allowed to go. You are not supporting a sporting team or praying to a god. You are choosing a Representative to do the job of taking your interests and concens to the government. You need to watch them and make sure they understand what you expect and that you are watching. Just like your boss watches you. Then fire them if they dont perform.😷
Budwick · 70-79, M
Republican party will rot in hell.
Conservatives within the republican [and democrat party] can and should create a new party that actually does what is best for the American people.
That's gonna go against the grain for the establishment - and that's OK.
I think actual people, citizens that love America have had it with our corrupt political system. Trump tried to drain the swamp. But the swamp was far bigger than anyone imagined.
Conservatives within the republican [and democrat party] can and should create a new party that actually does what is best for the American people.
That's gonna go against the grain for the establishment - and that's OK.
I think actual people, citizens that love America have had it with our corrupt political system. Trump tried to drain the swamp. But the swamp was far bigger than anyone imagined.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@Budwick he’s part of all of our problems, unless of course you think that storming the Capitol was a good and valuable thing...
Also, since we are both Americans, what you just said is part of the fucking problem.
If you believe that there are two countries here, that’s no really a good thing.
Also, since we are both Americans, what you just said is part of the fucking problem.
If you believe that there are two countries here, that’s no really a good thing.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
After the democrats expel their own insurrectionists. Lets start with them.
Anyone who supported blm/antifa, who placated them, and participated in these impeachment shams.
They all took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. The biggest violators are on the democrat side.
Anyone who supported blm/antifa, who placated them, and participated in these impeachment shams.
They all took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. The biggest violators are on the democrat side.
hartfire · 61-69
@MasterLee I take it you stand on the far right and that you approve of the invasion of the capitol.
Is that correct?
Please take note of the precise wording of my questions.
I include all members, including the rank and file in the grass roots, irrespective of role or position.
By definition, impeachment is not insurrection. It is a legal process.
BLM and Antifa have different methods and strategies.
3% of the protests against racism erupted into violence and that violence cannot be condoned. Those who were caught on camera committing public damage have been arrested and convicted.
97% of the marches were 100% peaceful.
Is that correct?
Please take note of the precise wording of my questions.
I include all members, including the rank and file in the grass roots, irrespective of role or position.
By definition, impeachment is not insurrection. It is a legal process.
BLM and Antifa have different methods and strategies.
3% of the protests against racism erupted into violence and that violence cannot be condoned. Those who were caught on camera committing public damage have been arrested and convicted.
97% of the marches were 100% peaceful.
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BohemianBabe · M
hartfire · 61-69
@BohemianBabe I agree.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Duhhhhh ... both parties need to reform, or better yet disband.
Politicians should be beholding to their constituents, all of their constituents, and not to their political party. They should be caucausing with their constituents and not with fellow party members that represent someone else. Their campaign contributions should come from within their states and districts and not from elsewhere.
What I like most about Republicans is that they aren't Democrats. What I like most about Democrats is .... is..... is... ok, I can't think of anything at the moment. OK, there is something I like about Democrats; it's that they don't discriminate against old women when selecting their misleader.
Politicians should be beholding to their constituents, all of their constituents, and not to their political party. They should be caucausing with their constituents and not with fellow party members that represent someone else. Their campaign contributions should come from within their states and districts and not from elsewhere.
What I like most about Republicans is that they aren't Democrats. What I like most about Democrats is .... is..... is... ok, I can't think of anything at the moment. OK, there is something I like about Democrats; it's that they don't discriminate against old women when selecting their misleader.
SapphicHeart · F
hartfire · 61-69
@SapphicHeart Seems! Ha ha! That's the most diplomatic description I've yet heard.
Actually, I agree. The more I think about it, the more I think it's likely to be a very long time before they regain office. It will take new people, a lot of careful analysis and total reorganisation for them to become functional again. As you said earlier, the middle of the road conservatives need to shed the alt-right and their ilk.
In the meantime, if Biden can deal with Covid and repair the economic fallout of the cure, the Democrats might get the chance to legislate some positive changes.
I expect the first bills tabled will include measures to prevent future invasions of the capitol.
Actually, I agree. The more I think about it, the more I think it's likely to be a very long time before they regain office. It will take new people, a lot of careful analysis and total reorganisation for them to become functional again. As you said earlier, the middle of the road conservatives need to shed the alt-right and their ilk.
In the meantime, if Biden can deal with Covid and repair the economic fallout of the cure, the Democrats might get the chance to legislate some positive changes.
I expect the first bills tabled will include measures to prevent future invasions of the capitol.
SapphicHeart · F
@hartfire
That's the thing, I am in no way sure they stay out of power for a long time, and therein is the most dangerous scenario hidden as that party is filled with just too many fascist thinking people.
And yes, Biden and the Democrats have once more to clean up after a Republican.
That's the thing, I am in no way sure they stay out of power for a long time, and therein is the most dangerous scenario hidden as that party is filled with just too many fascist thinking people.
And yes, Biden and the Democrats have once more to clean up after a Republican.
BohemianBabe · M
@SW-User Republicans keeps saying the Mueller Report proved there was no collusion. But no, the report proved that Russian officials offered Trump help in the election and he accepted.
monte3 · 70-79, M
I think the acceptance and certification of Biden should be the litmus test. Absent any credible evidence anything except certifying the election is nearing sedition. IMHO.
Speaking of sedition check out the Randy Rainbow video. 👌
Speaking of sedition check out the Randy Rainbow video. 👌
hartfire · 61-69
@monte3 Yes.
I'm grateful that all the checks found the election valid and that Biden has been certified by the traditional processes despite the Rep. mob's attempted insurrection.
It does show that the traditional processes are still working despite the madness of that dangerous minority.
I'm grateful that all the checks found the election valid and that Biden has been certified by the traditional processes despite the Rep. mob's attempted insurrection.
It does show that the traditional processes are still working despite the madness of that dangerous minority.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Might want to add a psych exam, background check, go on a vision quest, and tax audit.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
I think those all sound sensible. I think though that even more important, test them for sanity and intelligence.. I still say that intelligence IS important.. I'd want someone clever in charge not a village idiot - fact is the Republicans, they chose poorly, they surely could and should have seen Trump for what he was... someone like that really didn't deserve to stand for election..
hartfire · 61-69
@Adaydreambeliever I agree, Daydream.
I remember back to his candidacy. First I was astounded that he was picked in the primaries, and then shocked when he actually got in.
I think perhaps better education is necessary throughout the US from primary school up. It's essential that people should understand the differences between evidence, belief and opinion, and the value of law and democracy.
There are too many belief systems circulation which assert ideas like "reality is what you make with your mind"(Course in Miracles) or "indefatigable optimism is the key to success" (Trump's father's guru).
I remember back to his candidacy. First I was astounded that he was picked in the primaries, and then shocked when he actually got in.
I think perhaps better education is necessary throughout the US from primary school up. It's essential that people should understand the differences between evidence, belief and opinion, and the value of law and democracy.
There are too many belief systems circulation which assert ideas like "reality is what you make with your mind"(Course in Miracles) or "indefatigable optimism is the key to success" (Trump's father's guru).
bijouxbroussard · F
All of those are excellent ideas. One wouldn’t have thought they were necessary for someone seeking to serve in any position of U.S. government—but clearly they are, now.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I think all of your suggestions are good ones.
SamInAZ · 46-50, M
It is reforming...dumb ass leftists claim it is "dying"...no, you are watching a reformation.