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All Eyes On Venezuela As Socialism Fails Again

President Nicolas Maduro dictatorship is showing signs of failure.
The people of Venezuela want freedom from oppression.

President Trump has recognized the subjugation of the Venezuelan people and American credibility to the violent authoritarianism of Nicolás Maduro. He has responded by pledging the calibrated application of American power to the accession of interim Venezuelan President Juan Guaidó.

Trump has been magnificent in guiding the movement to freedom.
Do you agree?
Or are you in support of tyranny?
4meAndyou · F Best Comment
Pompeo said they practically had Maduro on the plane to fly him out of there but the Russians and the Chinese talked him out of leaving.

One of the commentators,(A Colonel in the US Army),to whom I was listening last night in a discussion of Venezuela pointed out that Maduro's army are the ones moving the drugs, like poisonous fentanyl, from China up to Mexico, to the drug lords there, and that they are making a huge amount of money doing it, and that Maduro's army is not going to stop doing that no matter who is in charge of Venezuela.

It's pretty obvious that socialism is not the issue here, although it is also obvious that Maduro's government is allowing his own people to starve.

The real issue is that Russia, China, and Cuba are using drugs as a weapon in their secret war against the American people. They have gained a foothold in Venezuela, pumping drugs up the pipeline to the Mexican drug lords. It is not American sympathy for the starving Venezuelan people that has motivated us to involve ourselves, although we also really do sympathize.

Maduro and his army are like the Godfather and the Mafia. They are just criminals who have taken over an entire country for their own enrichment. And Russia, China, and Cuba are at war with us in a quiet way, setting up the long game.
@4meAndyou On what planet is proving an argument with facts and evidence throwing dirt? That seems to be your department. You can't dispute what I am saying so you sling mud. And you still have never provided a single shred of evidence to support your slander of Venezuela.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Blah, blah ,blah.

Venezuela and news media corruption are happening now.

There is a difference between then and now.
@Budwick Yeah because this all started five minutes ago. That is why you and your ilk will never understand this and other issues and why you can be conned into believing anything. You think everything starts and ends with a 10 minute soundbite on Fox.

Notme123abc · 100+, M
With the way this is worded you're either for Democracy as Trump states it or in favor of Dictatorships. Unfortunately it isn't quite that way from my perspective.

Do I think Trump has done a good job stating they need to have Maduro step down and accept the right of his people in Democracy. Yes.

Do I think what Maduro had was Socialism. Not only no but hell no. This was a dictatorship and nothing more or less. There wasn't ANY socialism in what his government did. There's a huge difference between Maduro's government and a Socialist Gov't. Maduro's regime was more like the Communists than even what remotely resembles the so-called Socialist Democracies of today.
Notme123abc · 100+, M
@Budwick I enjoy the conversations. It's always engaging. Regardless of which side of the fence we seem to land on!
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Notme123abc That is obvious.
It shows up in the way you word things.
Open. straight forward, non threatening.
If only all political opponents could be like that!

Thanks again.
4meAndyou · F
@Notme123abc I tend to agree with you. True socialism does have a lot of problems supplying food to it's people, but not like this. This is more like a Mafia takeover.
You seriously believe that? I guess if Johnny I want a war with everyone Bolton said so it must be true. There is literally not a single factually correct statement in your entire post. Maduro is the legal leader(not that Americans worry about legality) with the backing of the people and the vast majority of the military and police. Guaido is a random oligarch nobody has heard of till he became speaker of the house who is happy to sell out his nation and kill the people so he can be the US colonial governor. This has nothing to do with the people of Venezuela and everything to do with the US seeing an opportunity to subjugate the country again.

Educate yourself.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Toad of tomorrow - the PEOPLE of Venezuela have been pushing the change.

Trump has gone out of his way to NOT interfere.
Blow your lies out your ass.
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Carazaa · F
This is NOT socialism. This is dictatordhip, the opposite of a socialistic democratic society!
@Budwick Your original post reads like John Bolton wrote it for you.

Sorry. That was on another thread on the same topic.
Notme123abc · 100+, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow By backing this you help create a narrative to justify the US arbitrarily deposing governments and installing colonial governors.

What did the US gov't do that led to the toppling of Maduro besides state that he needs to acquiesce to the wishes of the people. He was voted out and needs to leave the office and if necessary the country. That is what makes democracies work is that the will of the people is followed, even if they end up changing their mind a few years later. If he's that good then he will need to campaign his way back in control.
@Notme123abc The problem is that is not what happened. Guaido arbitrary declared himself dictator with no mandate from anyone inside the country. The legal leader is Maduro and the people and most of the military is behind him. The only support he has in Venezuela as near as I can tell was a few NED funded riots.
At the rate things are going there, the International community might want to or need to step in, as it looks like many military have gone over to the interim president's side, which might bring on a violent civil war. Not good. But another factor to be considered is Russia and China's involvement and backing of Maduro which might prove interesting-not that it's been enforced but Trump might invoke the Monroe Doctrine should a civil war break out and the Russians and Chinese become involved.
@Budwick That is total bullshit. A few NED funded astroturf protests have happened paid for by your tax dollars and the NED is and has been from day one a CIA front. The US media won't even publish numbers at these protests because they probably are in the hundreds not thousands. Trump like many other presidents before him is using the color revolution playbook to overthrow a government that has committed the crime of being independent from the US empire while having oil reserves.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Those are some very big claims to make with zero evidence.

We're onto your games. Claim outrageous - prove nothing.

The US media has ignored the whole story of Venezuela. Not publishing shit only demonstrates they don't know shit.
@Budwick Actually all of that can be backed up. The statements about the NED come directly from a former head of the agency. It was literally created to make it harder for US enemies to track the money trail back to Langley.


And that is funny. How do you know about it then?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow By All means, please make an intelligent case, provide some links.

Prove to me we should not care about the Venezuelan people fighting for freedom. Can't wait to see it.
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Budwick · 70-79, M
@calnative See? You got three or four stories fucked up all together!

gOING FOR A RECORD?
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Carazaa · F
[b]That is NOT Socialism![/b]
LonelyMan · M
Libs and Dems need to watch closely, since so many want America to be Socialist. Maybe Bernie can get Maduro to be his VP candidate!
Budwick · 70-79, M
@LonelyMan Now, THAT is funny!
@LonelyMan What is going on in Venezuela is a US astroturf coup and further proof neither party is a friend of the left or the people.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]a US astroturf coup [/quote]

Pretty cool lingo!
Did you make that up?
Or is it a CNN thing?
gol979 · 41-45, M
Interim president lol. How's random guaido's embezzlement coming along?
Well at least more than 1 in 5 people in Venezuela have now heard of random guaido now......which is what it was before the election. Plus, his party didn't even run for election. Corrupt and inept, now wonder your lords and masters are backing guaido. Keep up the good work budders, it is good for a laugh 👍
4meAndyou · F
Thank you for best answer!
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Socialism is a program that purposely disables people and discourages the middle class. However with that being said, the government will never put people in a position to be totally helpless as the money goes back into the system anyway.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Lol? It's "socialism" when most wealth is privately owned?

 
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