Is nationalism the opposite of patriotism ?

I misread patriotism as potatoism 🤣 Omg I’ve got to disconnect a bit, been misreading things on here as potato since the morning.

I don't really see how patriotism is an "exact opposite" of nationalism. Depending on the form of nationalism and the intensity in which it's experienced, you can also be a patriot. There are just forms of nationalism that destroy patriotism, mainly those forms that demand uncritical worship of this concept of "the nation" and this concept of "destiny" that the nation has. This is also particulairly true if "the nation" hasn't acquired the territory yet of which it wants to be sovereign, or lives in a territory with people that are not considered part of the nature but still is perceived from the outside as a nation-state by those that don't belong in this national fantastic construction. It's specifically those forms of nationalism that consider their own interest to be more important then that of "the other". And that rots the nation-state that already excists, but which idea(l) isn't shared by those that are nationalists and define it in other ways.

Nuance -- which has become lost in the digital age to begin with -- loses even more in translation between languages, cultures, and generations. You may have to be European or have lived through WWII to understand the distinction he was trying to make. Nationalism equals Naziism to those who remember, which was all about "us uber all" and patriotism was the French, and others, who went underground to continue to fight for their people against the occupying Nazis.

Only a leftist believes nationalism is a bad thing. They get their talking points from the Socialists International and are clueless as to their source.

Fine piece of gaslighting

Both are the same, but I don't think they're bad in and of themselves. You are allowed to take pride in your country of birth, as long as you recognize that other countries exist and are good in their own way as well.

Patriotism would probably be not blowing off a remembrance of the Battle of Belleau Wood at a cemetery 50 miles outside Paris where President low energy Trump and Melania stayed because it was raining. It's incredible that a president would travel to France for this significant anniversary—and then remain in his hotel room watching TV rather than pay in person his respects to the Americans who gave their lives in France for the victory gained 100 years ago.

Both Nationalism and Patriotism taken to its extremes destroy a country and since they aren't mutually exclusive presents a serious risk.

Personally I'm neither.

yes, exactly right, a nation without morals is a criminal organization

Let me answer this in American logic... You are either a right winged "Patriot" or you are a "Commie."

I like the bit about moral values, but I'm sick of arguing about nationalism, patriotism, and globalism.

In the end, I think we're moving towards a world where global economics and corporations are going to dominate nation states eventually anyway, and while I'm not convinced that's a good thing, I think dealing with it is what our leaders should be doing, and not getting hung up on conspiracies or trying to use issues to line their own pockets and feed their own egos.

Nationalism Aggressively promotes your nation against others. Patriotism defends your nation against such aggression.. Of course, those fine lines get blurred in rhetoric.

I've always felt that Nationalism and patriotism meant the same thing to be honest and have come to despise both. Precisely or theoretically speaking they may not be exactly the same, but in real life, nationalists are just extremely patriotic people. Why feel proud for being born an Arab, Russian or German or anything else? I can understand being emotionally attached to a place, but being proud is something else and this pride exists in both. Now this false pride and feeling of superiority inevitably leads to looking after our own interest and nothing else.

Macron is right.
Americans have confused the two for three hundred years.
And given the current climate of "Here's a lie i want you to accept as a truth" which seems to be the hallmark of Trump, i thought it was poignant that he mention it today. Of all days.

Given that America hates getting in on the ground floor of global conflict but seems to have no problem being the cause of much of it over the last 70 years !

Tomorrow's Veteran's Day, and it's clear to me that it was my patriarch's patriotism (higher values) that caused them to enlist and fight nationalism (will to power).

It's sort mind blowing that asserting that is considered transgressive and anti-American in this social climate.

Macron is a clueless globalist.

It's funny in that I never really considered the differences between both words until recently, and most of the takes I saw on their meaning is all from the mid-20th century like with Orwell.

I wouldn't say nationalism is the opposite of patriotism, but rather patriotism taken to a dangerous extreme.

Nationalism is not always the opposite of patriotism, that depends on the values of the nation. It would be lovely if we got there, though.

Here's my off the top of the head response. A nation-state is an institution. Nationalism can be described as loyalty/endorsement to a nation-state above all else. But nations adopt an ethos. They always have some sort of principles or character, at least in words if not action, which they use to justify their existence. For instance, "freedom, democracy, human rights" etc. Patriotism might be described as a commitment to the nation's ideals.

So while the two can coincide, they don't necessarily do so.

It depends on definitions but in this case, it's Trump explicitly aligning himself with the global nationalist movement

Nationalism is patriotism on steroids (which explains the altered mood, irritability and increased aggression of some)

Playing with words.