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Is nationalism the opposite of patriotism ?

President Emmanuel Macron of France speaking today at a ceremony in Paris to mark the 100th anniversary of the first world war armistice ;

"Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said. “In saying ‘Our interests first, whatever happens to the others,’ you erase the most precious thing a nation can have, that which makes it live, that which causes it to be great and that which is most important: Its moral values.”
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NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
Both Nationalism and Patriotism taken to its extremes destroy a country and since they aren't mutually exclusive presents a serious risk.

Personally I'm neither.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo Personally I am a nationalist insofar as national simply means the place of your birth. From that I believe that each individual is born free and that freedom must be guarded to keep those who do not share my belief in freedom from taking control of my life. Globalists believe in exactly the opposite. The do not believe in freedom and will only be happy when the entire world is enslaved by the globalist government. I believe that the people must have oversight of their government and the only way to do that is to keep the government as small as possible. The globalists believes exactly the opposite. The government must have oversight over the people therefore the government must be made as large as possible.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 the government is of no concern to me. If for whatever reason i can't simply support a family then we'll move. Otherwise i don't care who's in charge or how.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo Nice of you to show how clueless too many people are. I am old enough to remember freedom to own guns and make silly jokes about people different than me. I can't do either of those anymore.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 yeah racism and school massacres coz one kid brought daddies gun in his bag are so adorable.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 That's just complete silliness. You just demonstrated that you have zero understanding of what nationalism or your pet boogie man globalism actually are. Oy hippy, you've done it again.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo Funny how memory plays tricks on me. I never heard of school shootings or encountered racism while growing up. Yet that is all I hear about now. Do you suppose all those government restrictions on our freedom are actually working in reverse?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Look up the root of national. Ever been in the neonatal ward of a hospital?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 DAE think racism is worse than it was 50 years ago? Anyone? Anyone? 😂😂😂
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Yes I do. Everything is racist now. Once upon a time it was an evil restricted to the few.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 really? Shootings occur all the time. There was one back in august in Fredericton, new Brunswick Canada. People need restrictions.

Australia had a huge massacre and now they have really tight gun laws.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo I am talking about in the 1960s when I was in school. In high school we would drive to school in our pickups and we all had rifles in the back window. Usually the doors were unlocked a box of ammo was on the front seat and quite often the keys were in the ignition. No one was shot or killed in school.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 The etymology of the word was never in doubt - but that's all it is. And yeah, racism was a fuckload worse when you were growing up - whether you heard about it or not.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Not where I was. Racism was unheard of. However now racism is a epithet thrown about with impunity and real racism is rampant in all races.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 shell lake murders. 1967. A shooting.

Also were not in the 60's anymore. New times need new laws. And there are plenty of school shootings in Canada. Nm america.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo I guess you missed my point. Sad.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 keep the government small.
Guns = good
Globalists = bad
Restrictions = bad
People different than me = funny

What have i missed?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo A brain. Government is not your friend. Remember Duck Lake massacre? How about Waco? Differences will be eliminated by force. Governemtn has decreed.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Great, let's just have anarchy instead 😂👍
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 well yeah. Trying to make a provisional government and invite a rebellion? They were right to put it down in a half hour skirmish before it caused a civil war.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul You are clueless. But that is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell. Globalism is not the answer to anarchy. However it is the enemy of freedom.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 The Duck Lake battle was because some people literally set up another country on Canadian land. If you're ok with that sort of thing happening - yeah, you're asking for anarchy. And, ironically, the other side was the Provisional [b]Government[/b] of Saskatchewan - but this government is your friend now? And what about those Branch Davidian jackasses exactly?

Yes, we're all clueless here except for you, the guy who doesn't grasp the fundamentals of political theory, science, history, or much else.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo Had the Canadian government not been so racist and recognized the people's right to own the land they were living on there never would have been a rebellion in the first place. Waco presented no danger to anyone. They were peaceful nuts living a peaceful nutty lifestyle. Their choice the government had no reason to attack.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 hitler was a peaceful nut in a beer hall and look what he did. Any rebellion should be put down
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NeloAngelo So the American revolution should be undone? How about the French revolution or the Russian revolution?
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
@hippyjoe1955 well they won there revolutions and to the victor goes the spoils. That doesn't justify all those who died for them. Research the velvet revolution. The only one without armed conflict.