Do you think Barack Obama would have been elected President if he had been a *WASP?
[c=#000000][b]* White Anglo Saxon Protestant[/b][/c]
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Probably not, with the same experience, and voting history, and mysterious past. For a lot of people Barack Obama was an 'olive branch' or a 'posturing' vote.
"Hey look at me! I voted for a kind of non white guy! I'm socially enlightened!"
He got the radical left vote, the black vote, and the white guilt vote in a large number of cases. Others were voting their conscience and sincerely felt the "hope and change" thing.
"Hey look at me! I voted for a kind of non white guy! I'm socially enlightened!"
He got the radical left vote, the black vote, and the white guilt vote in a large number of cases. Others were voting their conscience and sincerely felt the "hope and change" thing.
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@Graylight Things improved quickly when Trump took office. The market skyrocketed when Trump took office. Veterans affairs began to improve quickly when Trump took office. Rules of engagement quickly changed when Trump took office. Deregulation, increased energy production, autonomy was taken more seriously. etc etc, from my perspective, Trump is a much better president than Obama was.
It doesn't matter. The establishment is left, so "documented facts" has become an oxymoron.
You and I are like Rudyard Kipling's "Ballad of East and West", excluding all the detail , of course. We simply are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I am not a NAZI, and I doubt you are ANTIFA. You don't like my politics, and I don't like yours, BUT..... I don't think either one of us is as emotionally invested in the whole mess, as the other assumes. I love art. I love Ray Bradbury, and Robert A Heinlein, Bill Watterson, and Greg Larson, I love plants, and I will carry a spider out of the house rather than kill it. I cuddle with, and talk embarrassing baby talk with my dog. I write poetry, and I'm not half bad, if I 'do' say so myself. I write songs and sing and play guitar. I have gay and transgender friends that I am not the least bit embarrassed to be seen with. I use to do a bit of theater in Tucson Az. I was a professional tramp for years, and busked on Venice Beach and Santa Monica sidewalks and boardwalks. I cry during genuinely sad movies. As much as I rant and rave and pontificate, my politics don't define me, and I doubt very seriously if your politics define you.
Hi. I'm Robert. Pleased to meet you. You win! I almost wish I could change the way I see things just so we could just talk about something else! You 'do' win though. This is me waving the white flag! I hope I get the re-education camp instead of the firing squad! 🤕
It doesn't matter. The establishment is left, so "documented facts" has become an oxymoron.
You and I are like Rudyard Kipling's "Ballad of East and West", excluding all the detail , of course. We simply are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I am not a NAZI, and I doubt you are ANTIFA. You don't like my politics, and I don't like yours, BUT..... I don't think either one of us is as emotionally invested in the whole mess, as the other assumes. I love art. I love Ray Bradbury, and Robert A Heinlein, Bill Watterson, and Greg Larson, I love plants, and I will carry a spider out of the house rather than kill it. I cuddle with, and talk embarrassing baby talk with my dog. I write poetry, and I'm not half bad, if I 'do' say so myself. I write songs and sing and play guitar. I have gay and transgender friends that I am not the least bit embarrassed to be seen with. I use to do a bit of theater in Tucson Az. I was a professional tramp for years, and busked on Venice Beach and Santa Monica sidewalks and boardwalks. I cry during genuinely sad movies. As much as I rant and rave and pontificate, my politics don't define me, and I doubt very seriously if your politics define you.
Hi. I'm Robert. Pleased to meet you. You win! I almost wish I could change the way I see things just so we could just talk about something else! You 'do' win though. This is me waving the white flag! I hope I get the re-education camp instead of the firing squad! 🤕
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@Theliberal seems to me? Seems to everyone. We keep electing such men.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Shaneishere · 31-35, M
Mamapolo2016 · F
I'm not sure. It was timely, for certain, and I think many Americans felt that deeply. While I disagreed with many of his policies, there's no denying he was eloquent and presentable.
The U.S. is currently unsure about whether we continue to be us or become Europeans.
I think his election was a sign that, contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is ready to include all, without surrendering who we are. This is a quality other English speaking nations who share our ancestry have not yet displayed.
The U.S. is currently unsure about whether we continue to be us or become Europeans.
I think his election was a sign that, contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is ready to include all, without surrendering who we are. This is a quality other English speaking nations who share our ancestry have not yet displayed.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
That's a pretty complicated question, and I'm inclined to think his race had something to do with driving him to get where he was, but the guy was a dynamite speaker and had the right message at the right time.
If he'd been white, he might well not have gotten the nomination, but after W, and given the opposition, I don't think being black was as much of a positive factor in the general election. Hopey Changy was the winning message, just like Make America Great Again was the right message in 2016.
If he'd been white, he might well not have gotten the nomination, but after W, and given the opposition, I don't think being black was as much of a positive factor in the general election. Hopey Changy was the winning message, just like Make America Great Again was the right message in 2016.
GoodoldBob · 61-69, M
bijouxbroussard · F
Considering the circumstances and what the U.S. had been facing when he ran, a WASP offering the same messages of hope and change would certainly have been elected, with less fanfare and self-congratulation by the country.
Moreover, when the GOP said they were "willing to work with" him, they'd have [b]meant[/b] it.
Moreover, when the GOP said they were "willing to work with" him, they'd have [b]meant[/b] it.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
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