Do you think Barack Obama would have been elected President if he had been a *WASP?
[c=#000000][b]* White Anglo Saxon Protestant[/b][/c]
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Probably not, with the same experience, and voting history, and mysterious past. For a lot of people Barack Obama was an 'olive branch' or a 'posturing' vote.
"Hey look at me! I voted for a kind of non white guy! I'm socially enlightened!"
He got the radical left vote, the black vote, and the white guilt vote in a large number of cases. Others were voting their conscience and sincerely felt the "hope and change" thing.
"Hey look at me! I voted for a kind of non white guy! I'm socially enlightened!"
He got the radical left vote, the black vote, and the white guilt vote in a large number of cases. Others were voting their conscience and sincerely felt the "hope and change" thing.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@puck61 I voted for Obama. I'm white. I wasn't guilty about anything at all; he was well-spoken, experienced and intelligent. He had a platform for forward progress I agreed with.
He was a law professor and senator. Trump was a reality TV host and very lucky but very bad businessman.
His voting record prior to be elected was largely along party lines, as it is for many government officials. Trump switched parties when he realized he didn't stand a chance within the Democratic party.
There's no "mystery" to Obama's past. It's all archived, all available. Whatever scandals and obfuscations you're referring to were manufactured by the right and then argued over in an echo chamber until they sounded like truth. Trump is/has facing/faced allegations and legal action for his racial practices, his business practices, his actions against women, his business holdings and dealings. He evaded military service not once but 5 times, lied about his education, lied about his family's origins, declared bankruptcy far in excess of most businessmen with similar professional paths. No mystery to Trump.
He was a law professor and senator. Trump was a reality TV host and very lucky but very bad businessman.
His voting record prior to be elected was largely along party lines, as it is for many government officials. Trump switched parties when he realized he didn't stand a chance within the Democratic party.
There's no "mystery" to Obama's past. It's all archived, all available. Whatever scandals and obfuscations you're referring to were manufactured by the right and then argued over in an echo chamber until they sounded like truth. Trump is/has facing/faced allegations and legal action for his racial practices, his business practices, his actions against women, his business holdings and dealings. He evaded military service not once but 5 times, lied about his education, lied about his family's origins, declared bankruptcy far in excess of most businessmen with similar professional paths. No mystery to Trump.
@Graylight No. His college records are untouchable, and he was an absentee voting senator who came out of nowhere. We saw him in action. Judging by the skulduggery he engaged in while in office, it stands to reason he was the same person before he took office. He's still busy stalking Trump like a mentally ill jilted lover. Ahhh Gee! Here we are again! Please note my last sentence at least, and try to not judge me too harshly. You see an eloquent lawyer and social justice champion, and I see a sneaky conniving huckster con man.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@puck61 Obama's educational records are absolutely not sealed. Old urban myth, old argument. [i]https://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/[/i]
Obama was the keynote speaker at the DNC convention in 2004. He hardly came out of nowhere.
He missed many senate votes in 2008 [i]while on the campaign trail[/i]; something almost every candidate does.
What was his skullduggery in office? And how t o you extrapolate that to his whole career?
Obama was the keynote speaker at the DNC convention in 2004. He hardly came out of nowhere.
He missed many senate votes in 2008 [i]while on the campaign trail[/i]; something almost every candidate does.
What was his skullduggery in office? And how t o you extrapolate that to his whole career?
@Graylight From my perspective, both of his terms were one mistake, scheme, or power grab, after another. He is a much better talker than Trump, he's funnier than Trump. He's more photogenic and can sing better than Trump, but he is a radical leftist. I don't like radical leftist ideologies, and I don't like most of the things he did or the way he did them. From my perspective, Obama is a cross between Woody Allen and Eddie Haskell whereas Trump is Bozo, with just enough John Wayne to get my vote. I don't see any point in itemizing his lies, deceptions, gaffs, and blunders, but suffice to say, I think Trump did more good in his first 3 months than Obama did in eight years.
@Graylight Things improved quickly when Trump took office. The market skyrocketed when Trump took office. Veterans affairs began to improve quickly when Trump took office. Rules of engagement quickly changed when Trump took office. Deregulation, increased energy production, autonomy was taken more seriously. etc etc, from my perspective, Trump is a much better president than Obama was.
It doesn't matter. The establishment is left, so "documented facts" has become an oxymoron.
You and I are like Rudyard Kipling's "Ballad of East and West", excluding all the detail , of course. We simply are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I am not a NAZI, and I doubt you are ANTIFA. You don't like my politics, and I don't like yours, BUT..... I don't think either one of us is as emotionally invested in the whole mess, as the other assumes. I love art. I love Ray Bradbury, and Robert A Heinlein, Bill Watterson, and Greg Larson, I love plants, and I will carry a spider out of the house rather than kill it. I cuddle with, and talk embarrassing baby talk with my dog. I write poetry, and I'm not half bad, if I 'do' say so myself. I write songs and sing and play guitar. I have gay and transgender friends that I am not the least bit embarrassed to be seen with. I use to do a bit of theater in Tucson Az. I was a professional tramp for years, and busked on Venice Beach and Santa Monica sidewalks and boardwalks. I cry during genuinely sad movies. As much as I rant and rave and pontificate, my politics don't define me, and I doubt very seriously if your politics define you.
Hi. I'm Robert. Pleased to meet you. You win! I almost wish I could change the way I see things just so we could just talk about something else! You 'do' win though. This is me waving the white flag! I hope I get the re-education camp instead of the firing squad! 🤕
It doesn't matter. The establishment is left, so "documented facts" has become an oxymoron.
You and I are like Rudyard Kipling's "Ballad of East and West", excluding all the detail , of course. We simply are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I am not a NAZI, and I doubt you are ANTIFA. You don't like my politics, and I don't like yours, BUT..... I don't think either one of us is as emotionally invested in the whole mess, as the other assumes. I love art. I love Ray Bradbury, and Robert A Heinlein, Bill Watterson, and Greg Larson, I love plants, and I will carry a spider out of the house rather than kill it. I cuddle with, and talk embarrassing baby talk with my dog. I write poetry, and I'm not half bad, if I 'do' say so myself. I write songs and sing and play guitar. I have gay and transgender friends that I am not the least bit embarrassed to be seen with. I use to do a bit of theater in Tucson Az. I was a professional tramp for years, and busked on Venice Beach and Santa Monica sidewalks and boardwalks. I cry during genuinely sad movies. As much as I rant and rave and pontificate, my politics don't define me, and I doubt very seriously if your politics define you.
Hi. I'm Robert. Pleased to meet you. You win! I almost wish I could change the way I see things just so we could just talk about something else! You 'do' win though. This is me waving the white flag! I hope I get the re-education camp instead of the firing squad! 🤕