How true is this?

@QuixoticSoul You have never finished grade school. Move on go do some thinking.

@hippyjoe1955 What you've said is that there are two kinds of power, the power to prevent and the power to impose. But of course you only did that after being prompted. But how are these powers different really? Let's make it simple and use force of arms as an example. With a firearm, you can attempt to compel a person to do as you wish, and they will likely comply. You can force them to perform manual labor, or you could say...prevent them from crossing a border. But both are impositions of someone else will onto another. How are they actually different? The only perceivable difference comes from the perceived ethics of the imposition. Some impositions are seen as just, and some are seen as unjust. But the question you've failed to answer is this. How are impositions by a minority onto a majority inherently more just than impositions of a majority onto a minority? In both cases, one is imposing their will upon another. You're talk of "prevention" is merely trying to mask this by making it seem more ethically palatable, but that's a fallacy, because not every imposition of a minority is going to be ethically palatable. All you did was TRY to muddle the question by changing a word around and hoping you could look smart. But unfortunately for you, I can see through your bullshit. So tell me, if you can. What makes impositions of a minorities will onto a majority inherently more ethical than the opposite? I would forward that the answer is nothing. It lays completely in the content of the impositions. That there is nothing inherently more ethical about minority rule, as has been witness through the majority of human history. Can you offer any real evidence or argument that your position that minority rule is somehow ethically superior to majority rule?

@hippyjoe1955 I'm starting to think you've never [i]been[/i] to grade school

@hippyjoe1955 Not my fault you're blind, buddy. 🤷

@UndeadPrivateer Right back at you.

@hippyjoe1955 See what happens when someone else beats you at your own game of “ignore replies and respond with personal insults?”

@sunsporter1649 Only twice in the modern era, both with GOP outcomes. Yes it is your system but I can well sympathize with the people who feel discounted from the process by their vote not counting and then exercise their right to express their misgivings with the system.

@QuixoticSoul Yup, might as well let New York and California run the country, to hell with the fly-over states. Those folks in Ohio and Missouri do not know what is good for them. Since the electors in most states are bound by law to vote for the voters choice, we need to ignore the law and just do what the democrat party wants, since they already have made a habit of ignoring the law anyways.

@sunsporter1649 I feel if you just watch the video I posted earlier you'd see how all your arguments are flawed...

@sunsporter1649 That is still not any kind of a coherent position. If you point of view cannot be justified without allusions to feelings or religious concepts, that's a pretty major flaw.

@QuixoticSoul Religious concepts are the basis of our form of a Constitutional Republic. Take a look at a dollar bill sometime. There have been three major works in the history of man that have stood the test of time, the Bible, the Magna Carta, and the Constitution of the United States. The first freed man's soul, the second freed man's body, and the third freed man's mind.

@sunsporter1649 [quote]Religious concepts are the basis of our form of a Constitutional Republic.[/quote]Most definitely not.

[quote]Take a look at a dollar bill sometime.[/quote]Added in 1957 to frighten the commies.

[quote]the third freed man's mind[/quote]People's minds were already free - that's how we ended up with our constitution to begin with. And it was the philosophy of the Enlightenment era that did it, in its shift from theology to science and reason as principal guides of human civilization.

If you can't argue your position without violating the establishment clause, the founding fathers viewed it as unfit for inclusion into our body of law - and that remains true.

@SW-User I have always wondered about the rights of the babies in the wombs. And I suppose we should tax corporations out of business, and let our economy run on imported goods. And everyone remembers the riots and demonstrations against the previous administration, those were bad times.

@sunsporter1649 Honestly, I have no clue what you are talking about. Is this sarcasm?

@SW-User Its easy, just pick any conservative viewpoint, and its automatically opposed.

@sunsporter1649 Lol. Awww, you don't even understand the meaning of the words liberal and conservative. Allow me to start with some super easy policies for you.
L: Abortion should be a decision made between a woman and her doctor.
C: No abortion!
L: We don't want people to need an abortion. We need comprehensive sex ed in schools and birth control to be covered by insurance companies.
C: The HORROR! Children should be told not to have sex and women should just keep their legs together. Just don't touch my Viagra.
L: Abstinence only education has been proven to be harmful. It does nothing to combat teen pregnancy or abortion rates, and causes increased problems with STD's.
C: Put prayer back in schools then. Look at how perfect life was in the 50's.
L: The 50's actually had a bigger problem with teen pregnancy and violence in schools than we have now.
C: Stop spouting facts. Just ban all abortions. Be grateful if we don't hang women for getting one.
L: Sigh. Ok.... Then you are going to increase aid to poor children, right? Maybe help with food and medical insurance?
C: Hell, no. Put the moochers to work. They don't get a penny.
L: But you are condemning people to a cycle of poverty that they will be unable to escape.
C: They can get a 3rd job. Slackers.
L: Sigh. What about their children? Let's ignore the fact that they now will be left alone all of the time. What about education?
C: Damn moochers. Why should I care about their education? They have run down schools and underpaid teachers. Why are they whining?
L: Education and community programs helped keep kids from making bad life choices.
C: They need Jesus. Not my money. I might give thoughts and prayers though when someone shoots up a school and kills several of them.
L: (bangs head on table) Prison rates are inversely proportional to educational spending.
C: Stop using big words. I bet you learned them at your fascist, communist, elite, out of touch universities.
L: seriously?
C: AR 15s for everyone! 2nd Amendment rights!
L: We were even talking about guns. But you also seem to have misread the 2nd Amendment.
C: Shut up snowflake. Go back to your safe space.
L: Wtf? You aren't even making sense!
C: Fake News! Make America Great!
L: Damn. We REALLY need to up spending on mental health...
C: Why don't you say that to my gun collection?
L: I give up. There is no point in talking to you.
C: Ha! I won! Loser! I am obviously right.
L: I need to find a liquor store...

@SW-User is on fire

@hippyjoe1955

Oh gosh - A right wing snowflake .

@BatRinseRepeat Yawn.

@hippyjoe1955

Blah blah .

Night night Joe 👋

@therighttothink50 The old fascists were leftists too. Their philosophy was considered progressive by FDR and he admired Hitler and Mussolini. They were kindred spirits.

@SW-User So you don't understand cycles and pendulums?

@hippyjoe1955 I do. Why else would I roll my eyes.

@SW-User Obviously you missed it. Must have been one of those rafter comments I made because it went right over your head.

@QuixoticSoul Solid advice. For the UC system, the political lectures (and a lot of other lectures) are paid for through Alumni contributions, and that's not run by the school itself. Not to mention, that the "Milo" incident, was not Berkeley students, but rather outsiders who stormed the campus.

@Northwest Even when things are run by the schools directly - the way the system is set up and funded gives the state very little oversight, by design. They do what they want - they have the same obligation to host Milo as, say, Google. Under California law, they're the same class of entity.

Often, the way they operate doesn't enamor them to anyone, the system can be rather abrasive. "Fuck the Regents" was the rallying cry of the students when I was in school.

But hard to argue with success.

@QuixoticSoul Fuck the Regents has always been the rallying cry of students :-)

@SatanBurger So true. I've always said that Republican support for the unborn stops at birth.

@snowbelt I'd also like to mention that they don't support LGBT people either which means their not really "[i]PRO[/i]" life. They want to limit humans into this little cluster stereotype of who they think they should be when their older but wanting to protect them when their a fetus.

It's two contradicting belief systems.

Then when we're older they can blame us for the welfare system and say it's all our fault, and suddenly protecting human life holds no liberty for them when they can blame us for problems that are for a variety of reasons.. corruption and ghost money being two main issues. 😒

[i]They only want you when you're seventeen,
When you're 21, you're no fun.
They take a Polaroid and let you go[/i]

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@SatanBurger Republicans don't support government interference, except when it applies to the unborn, or LGBT issues such as the ludicrous bathroom issue. In other words, they want only their beliefs incorporated into law so others are subject to their morality while they themselves are free to do what they want.