You can't blame an entire religion because certain people decide to use the religion as a front for terrorism.
I'm Irish, we aren't all IRA members and we weren't classed as terrorist either. Muslims shouldn't be victimised
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xSharp · 31-35, M
thats because the crown placed loyalists onto irish owned farms kicking the irish off their own land consolidating support for the crown in the northern regions and taking control of food supplies even though loyalists in the south were pushed out.. or so i read..
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@xSharp: Yeah, the history of England's actions in Ireland isn't a pretty one. Still, the attempts to colonise it never worked. There's a phrase that describes the way the colonists tended to go extremely native after a few generations. "More Irish than the Irish" or so they say.
Still, I don't believe most of that bollocks about how if peoples' ancestors were placed there, their descendants don't have a right to live there or express their political opinion. The Northern Irish are Irish, and if they choose to stay part of the UK, that's their choice, not the IRA's. Besides, it looks like it might get put to the test quite soon, what with the brexit/EU border thing.
Still, I don't believe most of that bollocks about how if peoples' ancestors were placed there, their descendants don't have a right to live there or express their political opinion. The Northern Irish are Irish, and if they choose to stay part of the UK, that's their choice, not the IRA's. Besides, it looks like it might get put to the test quite soon, what with the brexit/EU border thing.
xSharp · 31-35, M
@Gauntlets28: i agree, if they are born on the land then they are irish but if the ira can conquer northern Ireland like Russia took back the Crimea then its all fair game in my eyes and they would have the right to pull out if they chose, soon we will have a muslim offspring majority who are "more american than americans" telling us that sharia law is the only acceptable rule for society, im curious as to what do you think about this situation?
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@xSharp: I don't think that's how it works. More Irish than the Irish meant that they adopted the culture to an extreme degree, becoming stronger proponents of Irish values than the Irish were. As for those muslims who are more American than the Americans, that would more apply for the muslims that didn't rigidly stick to whatever cultural values their ancestors had. And fortunately, those ones are in the vast majority, which is nice.
xSharp · 31-35, M
@Gauntlets28: but wasnt making their irish plants become more irish than the irish the idea in the first place to justify keeping a tight and legally legitimate grip on the country and its population loyal to the occupiers?
dont get me wrong i know that if Ireland became sovereign that it probably would not be able to support itself, they need the u.k. at this point, im only talking perspectives of right and wrong here. lol
dont get me wrong i know that if Ireland became sovereign that it probably would not be able to support itself, they need the u.k. at this point, im only talking perspectives of right and wrong here. lol
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@xSharp: Not really. The general idea was to keep in control of Ireland through military force and maintain what was seen as a 'better' culture-what can I say, it was not a pretty time in history. The incorporation of the anglo-Norman ruling class into Irish society in the 120th century was more of a complete failure of that attempt. Incidentally the same thing pretty much happened with England and Scotland. The Normans were not good at keeping a firm grasp of their culture in the places they conquered.
Then it happened again when the English properly tried to colonise Ireland in the 16th century.
I think if Northern Ireland did rejoin the rest of Ireland, it might be able to hold itself together, but you're right about it being quite reliant. NI is the basket-case of Britain in a way. In some ways the real question might be whether Ireland wants it back. The RoI is doing pretty well without NI after all.
Then it happened again when the English properly tried to colonise Ireland in the 16th century.
I think if Northern Ireland did rejoin the rest of Ireland, it might be able to hold itself together, but you're right about it being quite reliant. NI is the basket-case of Britain in a way. In some ways the real question might be whether Ireland wants it back. The RoI is doing pretty well without NI after all.