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You can't blame an entire religion because certain people decide to use the religion as a front for terrorism.

I'm Irish, we aren't all IRA members and we weren't classed as terrorist either. Muslims shouldn't be victimised
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
Catholicism doesn't call for killing all infedels either
CaptainCanadia · 41-45, M
@Mountainlady16: Everyone's been killing each other throughout history. I mean the current problem of Islamic terrorism, which is a modern phenomenon.
@UTD99: Sad but true.
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@Coyotedave611: alot of people on this site are just idiots
tynamite · 31-35, M
According to wikipedia, every terrorist attack that happened in 2016 was due to islam.
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@tynamite: well go back on Wikipedia and get the death toll this year, by terrorist, and then get the death toll on the middle east where the American army's are fighting.
tynamite · 31-35, M
@UTD99: The Phillipines got attacked by ISIS, and they've never bombed a muslim country, so what's their excuse?
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@tynamite: Yes, that group wants to cause fear, they'll attack anywhere. Doesn't mean everything Muslim wants that.
Penny · 46-50, F
i don't think they are using it as a front so much as they are egged on from the religion. why would it affect them that way and not everyone else? i mean if you want to say don't confuse the sheep for the wolves, maybe, but the religion is still messed up all the same. how can you blame anyone for ousting the religion [i]and[/i] it's supposed followers.
Penny · 46-50, F
@UTD99: look up - Koran violence
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@dianeO: have you noticed how alot of those have similarities to the bible? The book that's against homosexuals, other religions etc etc...yet if I went out, killed people and said I did it because of the Bible..people wouldn't blame that book, I'd just be an extremist.
Penny · 46-50, F
@UTD99: don't give me that bullshit about the bible, nowhere in the bible does it condone killing people because they aren't Christian. nowhere does it order people to kill homosexuals. the bible is very cryptic, people make up their own whack interpretations. the koran or the hadiths or whatever are very explicit. i used to think kindly of Islam too until I found out the truth about it. it is a messed up religion and terrorism is a direct result of them following it.
SW-User
Strong logic.
xSharp · 31-35, M
thats because the crown placed loyalists onto irish owned farms kicking the irish off their own land consolidating support for the crown in the northern regions and taking control of food supplies even though loyalists in the south were pushed out.. or so i read..
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@xSharp: I don't think that's how it works. More Irish than the Irish meant that they adopted the culture to an extreme degree, becoming stronger proponents of Irish values than the Irish were. As for those muslims who are more American than the Americans, that would more apply for the muslims that didn't rigidly stick to whatever cultural values their ancestors had. And fortunately, those ones are in the vast majority, which is nice.
xSharp · 31-35, M
@Gauntlets28: but wasnt making their irish plants become more irish than the irish the idea in the first place to justify keeping a tight and legally legitimate grip on the country and its population loyal to the occupiers?

dont get me wrong i know that if Ireland became sovereign that it probably would not be able to support itself, they need the u.k. at this point, im only talking perspectives of right and wrong here. lol
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@xSharp: Not really. The general idea was to keep in control of Ireland through military force and maintain what was seen as a 'better' culture-what can I say, it was not a pretty time in history. The incorporation of the anglo-Norman ruling class into Irish society in the 120th century was more of a complete failure of that attempt. Incidentally the same thing pretty much happened with England and Scotland. The Normans were not good at keeping a firm grasp of their culture in the places they conquered.
Then it happened again when the English properly tried to colonise Ireland in the 16th century.
I think if Northern Ireland did rejoin the rest of Ireland, it might be able to hold itself together, but you're right about it being quite reliant. NI is the basket-case of Britain in a way. In some ways the real question might be whether Ireland wants it back. The RoI is doing pretty well without NI after all.
Nothing new under the sun, my dad was "black" Irish and wore a black arm band on St. Patrick's day. Really dad?...I think organised religions impedes the evolutionary process, people don't need a religion for a moral compass
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@Mountainlady16: I'm not religious, I know what's right and wrong though. You do get you're kinda What's wrong with the world yes?
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@UTD99: hows that?
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@Mountainlady16: I'm not wasting time explaining it to you
SW-User
I'm certain whomever is committing their terroristic acts is using their religion either way.
strongbow · 46-50, M
Yes we can, and we will,, their religion is fucked...deal with it mr apologist
@strongbow: If you had been born in a Muslim country you would be singing a different song. Makes no difference where you are from "god" is on your side, it's been that way since the beginning of recorded history.
strongbow · 46-50, M
@Coyotedave611: Bullshit... im atheist and would be no matter where i was born
UTD99 · 26-30, M
@strongbow: their religion is fucked? Mate what do you know about the religion? Because if you knew the religion you'd see it isn't What's being spread. You don't support a religion but you hate theirs? If you don't support a religion you should see this violence doesn't come from fucking religious beliefs.
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Lovelyelaine101 · 22-25, F
@Mountainlady16: no wonder their names where hard to pronounce
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Gauntlets28: I agree with that I also think that guns should not be given to people with mental illnesses. if you notice most school shooters are people with mental issues often times bullied kids. our schools also need to stop ignoring and coddling bullies
Gauntlets28 · 26-30, M
@Mountainlady16: Yeah, I'll give you that. :/ I think there's an awful tendency to hope for the best and not try to preempt the kind of things that lead to these things happening. Too many bullies getting away with it, too few people willing to listen to the children, and lots of unnecessary weapons being mishandled. Mind you, even without the weapons that's a terribly dangerous situation. I know a lot of kids in my old school ended up going pretty mad from all the pressures of life, with nobody to help them.

 
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