Palestine - Japan, a comparison

2,403 Americans and others at Pearl Harbor were killed when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.
The US responded with a declaration of war and by the end of the war 2,800,000 Japanese were killed.

I'm trying to imagine radicalized college students in the 1940s taking over college campuses and yelling and screaming about US murdering innocent Japanese. Demanding that colleges and universities cease any investments in US companies that produced war materials.

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BohemianBabe · M

It's a pretty bad comparison considering we were at war with a country that attacked us, whereas Israel isn't at war with another country. But yeah, America was wrong for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So the "radicalized" college students would be correct.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe how do you define, at war? Hamas has sworn it will eliminate the state of Israel! How about the firebombing of Dresden? The war was winding down, was that civilian loss necessary? War is hell, yes, no one wants to see civilians killed.

BohemianBabe · M

@samueltyler2 Hamas isn't a country, it's a gang of thugs within Israel. Hamas doesn't have a military, so obviously they're no real threat to Israel. Whereas the Axis was a real threat to America.

No, the bombing of Dresden wasn't necessary, it shouldn't have happened.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe Hamas was elected in 2005 to rule Gaza, they are not in Israel.

BohemianBabe · M

@samueltyler2 Gaza is part of Israel.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe Actually even going back thousands of years it has never been such. I was surprised when I found the old maps.

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe

Israel isn't at war with another country

Didn't Hamas attack Israel? You can't un-ring a bell :)

BohemianBabe · M

@samueltyler2 We're talking about modern Israel, not the original Israel from thousands of years ago.

BohemianBabe · M

@Heartlander Hamas isn't a country.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe It doesn't matter, it is still not a country.

BohemianBabe · M

@samueltyler2 Yes, that's what I'm saying. WTF?

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe the thread got confusing.

BohemianBabe · M

@samueltyler2 Have you been hanging out with RFK?

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe i will quote you, WTF?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@samueltyler2

firebombing of Dresden?

Yep, warfare 101. To defeat the enemy they had to defeat the enemy's will to continue to inflict harm. When dealing with a radicalized enemy and both Germany and Japan fit in that category, they have to make everyone surrender, not just the soldiers and sailors. Both Japan and Germany had instilled a fight to the death belief in their cause. Any conditions beyond an unconditional surrender would have simply been but a stalling attempt.

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@BohemianBabe There is no proportionality in a war where the other side vows to fight to the last man and is willing to use the innocent as human shields.

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