Soon the Great Journey shall begin. But when it does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet...

@Elessar Agreed. I know it's notorious for its terribly unbalanced difficulty but that doesn't diminish what a masterpiece it is.

@BlueMetalChick Plot wise it's pretty great. After it became a XBox exclusive I've unfortunately kinda abandoned it all, but thankfully they've re-released them all (except for 5) for PC, remastered, and I've replayed them all recently.

I also have Infinite installed but it makes my GPU throw up from the fatigue 😬

@Elessar PC is trash. For FPS games at least. Strategy and MMO is fine on PC but shooters and racers are meant for consoles.

@BlueMetalChick Hmm I disagree on this, the aim accuracy you have with a mouse is literally impossible with a controller. Reason why, even in Halo itself, there are aim-assist algorithms if you play with a controller.

A computer is pretty much a universal platform, it goes well with every genre tbh. The problem is that it's generally far more expensive. Consoles are sold under-cost, with games over-priced.

@Elessar Mouse is infamous for how poorly suited it is to aiming in an FPS game. Even back during the days of trackball mouse, this was true. You're better off using even an old school joystick.

The problem isn't cost. The problem is that a PC isn't a gaming device. Certain genres lend themselves well to PC. Shooters are not one of them. Neither are racers, or stealth games.

@BlueMetalChick Hmm no, joysticks are better suited for flight simulation at most, and with driving games the problem is steering with a keyboard (which suffers from the same issue of controllers, you have a binary input rather than a linear one). Mice are pretty great for aiming, especially these days mice.

The day I'll figure out how to install Windows 10/11 on a XBox I'll stop buying computer hardware altogether 😜 PC gaming is only an issue of cost for me, I can handle pretty much every genre with my mouse/keyboard combo

@Elessar yup. That's why the vast majority of high level gamers in fps use mouse and keyboard for fps. It's not even a debate as one side has to use aiming assist to make up for the lack of precision with joysticks

Even for general people, mice will win against mere counsel mortals lol

https://www.pcgamer.com/mouse-and-keyboard-players-are-destroying-controller-users-in-overwatch-on-console/

@deadgerbil Mice are at such a disadvantage on FPS that most shooters have to crank up their bullet magnetism like crazy to compensate for those playing with mouse and keyboard. If you need to give one a special advantage that the other doesn't have just to level the playing field, that says everything you need to know.

@Elessar An issue of cost? I HAVE the money for a PC and I don't game on one because the genres of games I play suck on PC. If you're wanting to play any type of MMO, or any kind of world building game, then I get it. A PC is gonna be for you. But I would pay MORE money for a console to play FPS or racers because they suck with a mouse and keyboard, I can't play co-op, and I have to deal with constant fucking lag.

@BlueMetalChick It's the opposite ma'am, bullet magnetism is to compensate controllers, because the aim input with one is no different than a keyboard or at worst a trackpad

Tey googling the price of a GPU, even a mid-range one like the GTX 3060 😬😬

@BlueMetalChick bullet magmatism as defined by halo:

[quote]Auto-aim, also known as bullet magnetism,[Note 1] is a type of aim assist in place in the Halo video games, designed to make targeting enemy combatants easier for players. It slightly changes the trajectory of shots that the player fires, to direct them towards the enemy they are targeting.

https://www.halopedia.org/Auto-aim[/quote]

And this feature is a norm for counsel/controller, as detailed here:

[quote]Controllers are, by design, not optimal for shooter games or even for aiming in general. Making precise movements with just two thumbsticks can take years of practice. A mouse, on the other hand, is much easier to use and more accurate—one can view it as an extension of their hand

To have more precise movements and aiming, controller players use a setting called aim assist. As its name suggests, the setting helps controller players with their aim.

https://dotesports.com/general/news/what-is-aim-assist-and-is-using-it-cheating[/quote]


Here's an article about gaming on a PC with a controller and how it offers a different, worthwhile experience

Even in offering the pros of gaming with a controller, they still acknowledge that the mouse is more accurate than a controller, because they know what they are talking about.

[quote]Historically, the keyboard and mouse combination has always been a far more accurate and speedy input method especially for first-person shooters, RTS and MMO games that PC has been infamous for. Aiming with a mouse is just far more precise than using the analogue stick on a controller.

So yeah, the mouse and keyboard is still our pick for the primary PC input, but it's not the only input.

https://www.pcgamer.com/pc-gamepads-are-a-must/[/quote]

Please do some actual reading on what you talk about before replying again to me, lest you espouse more weird ignorance lmao

@Elessar I'm amazed at how backwards bmc has this lol

It's almost as if dippyjoe has taken on a different form 😬

@deadgerbil No, I really don't have it backwards. The reason why pro gamers use keyboard and mouse is twofold. One, developers go out of their way to make gameplay easier for the inferior keyboard and mouse by adding features that level the playing field. And two, because downloading games on a PC is cheap, and it's also cheap and easy to screen record yourself so you can post gameplay footage to YouTube or stream it on Twitch. You can do that on a console too but it's annoying and tedious and.somwrimws requires expensive additional equipment.

A mouse is not an accurate aiming device. Using a mouse even for regular tasks on a computer isn't accurate. Making split second adjustments to your aim in an FPS is even worse. Thumbsticks are far from perfect but the movement and dynamic of it is a lot more comfortable and responsible. Using those handheld things in a VR headset is the best by far, but that's kind of a niche thing right now.

The keyboard and mouse was already standard for aiming in FPS back during the days of Windows DOS games. Controllers replaced keyboard and mouse because people wanted an upgrade. That's the fucking point.

Go play any FPS game of your choosing - Halo, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Killzone - on a controller, and then play it with a mouse. To eliminate inconsistencies between devices, use them both on a PC. See how.oje feels versus the other. There's a reason that PC had options to allow controllers to be used, but consoles don't have an expansion for a mouse.

@Elessar [quote]It's the opposite ma'am, bullet magnetism is to compensate controllers, because the aim input with one is no different than a keyboard or at worst a trackpad[/quote]
Other way around. Bullet magnetism is ramped up if you're playing on a PC. That's why pro gamers prefer to use a mouse, because the game gives them an advantage.

[quote]Tey googling the price of a GPU, even a mid-range one like the GTX 3060[[/quote]
I know they're expensive. I'm not debating that they're expensive. What I'm saying is, I'd pay that price to NOT have to use a keyboard and mouse. You said that the main disadvantage of playing on PC is the money it costs. That's simply not true. If the prices were reversed, and the PC option was cheap while the controller option was expensive, I'd pay the extra money for the better choice.

@BlueMetalChick I'm pretty certain it's the other way around, but still, no point in fighting a crusade over our favourite input devices. Both computers and iirc last gen consoles allow intermixing devices that previously were an exclusive of either platform, so these days one can really choose what they want at least

@Elessar I'm gonna have to curtail this one because it's spilled over into my DM's now.