ElwoodBlues · M
If you want to end up with a "brand" consider Toyota electric vehicles.
My wife & I rented an electric Toyota CHR in Norway earlier this year, and it was a great car to drive. As a brand, Toyota has a strong reputation among the most reliable cars in the world. Plus, Toyota dealerships are everywhere.


My wife & I rented an electric Toyota CHR in Norway earlier this year, and it was a great car to drive. As a brand, Toyota has a strong reputation among the most reliable cars in the world. Plus, Toyota dealerships are everywhere.


Iwillwait · M
BYD will be 1/3 the price and probably suit you just fine.
Mamapolo2016 · F
Most of my life, I’ve driven BYD. Bring your (own) door.
AceOfSpades · 36-40, M
Maybe avoid the Swasti-car and go with BYD.
From everything I am hearing from people over here, they're great cars, cheaper than paying for for the name of the others and it's not like any cars are built to last more than 5 years any more anyway.
From everything I am hearing from people over here, they're great cars, cheaper than paying for for the name of the others and it's not like any cars are built to last more than 5 years any more anyway.
View 1 more replies »
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon @AceOfSpades Bland statistical results do not really tell us anything useful about why why the average age of cars differs from country to country.
There is really very little variety in cars now; thanks to the massive consolidations of manufacturers. This means a car built in America, say, is likely to be much the same under the styling from one built in the UK, France or Japan. Same engines and transmissions, auxiliary equipment, etc.
Even the Rolls-Royce now has a BMW engine! Are the US cars really built to last only five years? That would be very poor business model, likely to lose many customers to brands likely to last three times that.
Are there even many genuine US car makers left, apart from Ford perhaps? Even that American style-signature the "Jeep" is owned by the Dutch company Stellantis, although the group does have an American HQ as well.
This all means considerable uniformity of designs, components and quality. The differences are shrinking to bodywork and trim styling.
So the cars should have roughly similar life-spans based purely on normal wear. There must be other, external factors that dictate it, and those will differ by country and region.
Corrosion is likely the main killer of cars anywhere.
In the UK, huge numbers of cars are near exposed coasts where Winter conditions can bathe them and the roads in salt spray. Also, the roads are often treated in freezing conditions with a mix of sand and salt, creating a corrosive brine.
Most cars in the USA and Europe are nowhere near salty sea air, many are in warmer, drier conditions generally.
On the other hand, some countries have large mileages of rough gravel roads in rural areas, likely to accelerate steering and suspension wear, and breaks in protective paints and undersealing.
Another factor may be the relative severity of the roadworthiness and emission-control regulations and MoT equivalents between nations.
The UK's are fairly tight. Others may be far more relaxed. Germany is notorious for its trade-demanded "OEM" construction laws, but I don't know the severity of its use regulations.
One might expect the Japanese graph to be far less steep, even declining not climbing; not because their cars are any different but because the country notoriously has perhaps the strictest version of the MoT anywhere, to the point of sheer pettyness. Japan has a fairly benign climate though, and perhaps does not grit and salt its roads.
There is really very little variety in cars now; thanks to the massive consolidations of manufacturers. This means a car built in America, say, is likely to be much the same under the styling from one built in the UK, France or Japan. Same engines and transmissions, auxiliary equipment, etc.
Even the Rolls-Royce now has a BMW engine! Are the US cars really built to last only five years? That would be very poor business model, likely to lose many customers to brands likely to last three times that.
Are there even many genuine US car makers left, apart from Ford perhaps? Even that American style-signature the "Jeep" is owned by the Dutch company Stellantis, although the group does have an American HQ as well.
This all means considerable uniformity of designs, components and quality. The differences are shrinking to bodywork and trim styling.
So the cars should have roughly similar life-spans based purely on normal wear. There must be other, external factors that dictate it, and those will differ by country and region.
Corrosion is likely the main killer of cars anywhere.
In the UK, huge numbers of cars are near exposed coasts where Winter conditions can bathe them and the roads in salt spray. Also, the roads are often treated in freezing conditions with a mix of sand and salt, creating a corrosive brine.
Most cars in the USA and Europe are nowhere near salty sea air, many are in warmer, drier conditions generally.
On the other hand, some countries have large mileages of rough gravel roads in rural areas, likely to accelerate steering and suspension wear, and breaks in protective paints and undersealing.
Another factor may be the relative severity of the roadworthiness and emission-control regulations and MoT equivalents between nations.
The UK's are fairly tight. Others may be far more relaxed. Germany is notorious for its trade-demanded "OEM" construction laws, but I don't know the severity of its use regulations.
One might expect the Japanese graph to be far less steep, even declining not climbing; not because their cars are any different but because the country notoriously has perhaps the strictest version of the MoT anywhere, to the point of sheer pettyness. Japan has a fairly benign climate though, and perhaps does not grit and salt its roads.
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@ArishMell
As for the MOT and its European/Scandinavian equivalents, they are generally fairly similar. The principal difference is that most European countries only inspect cars once every two years on the grounds that modern cars are much more reliable.
As for Rolls and their engines, they haven't made their own for at least sixty years. Before BMW they used oversized General Motors engines that they detuned to have flatter power and torque versus rpm curves so as to make them drive very smoothly at the expense of fuel economy. They used BMW engines before BMW took over the name. But in fact the BMW produced Rolls has nothing but the name in common with the former Rolls cars. It is VW that owns the former Rolls Royce/Bentley production facilities.
Japan has a very varied climate and the average daily January temperatures in Hokkaido are below -5 C. I'm pretty sure they must salt the roads there.
Most cars in the USA and Europe are nowhere near salty sea air,
Anywhere that regularly has temperatures between -10 C and freezing will salt the roads and that is far worse for the underside of the car than the UK coast.As for the MOT and its European/Scandinavian equivalents, they are generally fairly similar. The principal difference is that most European countries only inspect cars once every two years on the grounds that modern cars are much more reliable.
As for Rolls and their engines, they haven't made their own for at least sixty years. Before BMW they used oversized General Motors engines that they detuned to have flatter power and torque versus rpm curves so as to make them drive very smoothly at the expense of fuel economy. They used BMW engines before BMW took over the name. But in fact the BMW produced Rolls has nothing but the name in common with the former Rolls cars. It is VW that owns the former Rolls Royce/Bentley production facilities.
Japan has a very varied climate and the average daily January temperatures in Hokkaido are below -5 C. I'm pretty sure they must salt the roads there.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon There are some countries that don't use salt on frosty roads, but I don't know which.
The modern, RR-badged Rolls-Royce doesn't even look like a Rolls-Royce. Just as the BMW-owned "Mini" barely hints at Alec Issigonis' creation: it is still fairly short but rounded off and bloated in width - likely with little proportionate increase in passenger room.
I think the British MoT is not concerned with reliability, but with safety and exhaust emissions. In any case, whether annual or bi-annual the result only really applies on the date of test! I have my Renault serviced as well as MoT'd at theh same time.
The modern, RR-badged Rolls-Royce doesn't even look like a Rolls-Royce. Just as the BMW-owned "Mini" barely hints at Alec Issigonis' creation: it is still fairly short but rounded off and bloated in width - likely with little proportionate increase in passenger room.
I think the British MoT is not concerned with reliability, but with safety and exhaust emissions. In any case, whether annual or bi-annual the result only really applies on the date of test! I have my Renault serviced as well as MoT'd at theh same time.
BYD = Brings Your Drinks, right???
I've never driven a BYD but I've had a Tesla model Y for a few years and it's been great. Not a single complaint about it. Comfortable, loads of interior space, rapid acceleration, just fun to drive. I've driven the model 3 as well and that was very similar.
Ynotisay · M
My partner has a Tesla, and she loves it, but she regrets getting it because it supported one of the most evil men in the world. So if that kind of thing matters you I'd go with an ABT.
"Anything But Tesla."
"Anything But Tesla."
valobasa4ever · F
If you are investing in stocks, Tesla is a leading choice.
I am still against EV as a personal car.
I am still against EV as a personal car.
Teslas are all over the road here in BC Canada. Very reliable, but they haven't released anything new for a decade. I think Musk is bleeding away all of their money for research and development.
BYD is just setting up their first two dealerships here. They will be a hit too. Youtube shows some interesting innovation with them. They are using a different battery tech, one that isn't prone to blow up like Tesla is using, and they charge a lot faster.
BYD is just setting up their first two dealerships here. They will be a hit too. Youtube shows some interesting innovation with them. They are using a different battery tech, one that isn't prone to blow up like Tesla is using, and they charge a lot faster.
@DanielsASJ Have you ever seen one?
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@SoftIceCream Yes, a few
@DanielsASJ Where?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
At least 15 people have died in the United States after crashes disabled Tesla electronic door systems and trapped occupants inside burning or damaged vehicles. So maybe scratch the Tesla
JovialMoose · 51-55, M
What country are you in? I haven't really seen a BYD on the road yet.
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@JovialMoose Plenty of BYDs in Norway.
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
Tesla but expensive. BYD only if you are tight on budget
Gibbon · 70-79, M
Well I'm gonna guess asking for a comparison. You're definitely not in the US because you couldn't get a BYD car here if you wanted to. That said, I don't much care for EVs, but I sure as hell wouldn't buy something built in China for my everyday driver. You have nothing to go on historically reliability-wise. After working in quality assurance my whole life, I would also say Tesla started off bad in the area of assembly. But according to reviews, it's improved. Great work in the past two years.
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
BYD isn’t an option here as its import is banned for now, and Tesla has fairly mixed reviews with some people loving it, others swearing it’s the most expensive mistake they’ve ever made.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
I have no experience with neither, but you need to choose between inherent quality (Tesla) or Chinesium 'quality' (BYD).
Also, consider what sort of after-sales support you will get. BYD here in Australia is very bad for service and support. I don't know if BYD or Tesla actually own their own dealership and service networks in the USA or here in Oz.
I have two cars - Saab sedan (220 k km's) and diesel Toyota landcruiser (almost 730 k km's) - both 1992 build. No intention of replacing either, but personally I would *not* rate Tesla or BYD if I was to look at new vehicles. Just my view of course.
Saab no longer exists, and Saab cars have saved my life more than once in the past. Toyota's have well-established quality and resale value propositions. I haven't driven Korean made vehicles (Hyundai, Kia), or any Chinese made vehicles (EV or non-EV).
Any EV (as well as current gen non-EV's) are totally 'connected' cars and are all inexorably moving towards making everything about vehicle ownership a 'subscription' and requiring constant connectivity to the 'ecosystem' for forced firmware updating, etc.
Also, consider what sort of after-sales support you will get. BYD here in Australia is very bad for service and support. I don't know if BYD or Tesla actually own their own dealership and service networks in the USA or here in Oz.
I have two cars - Saab sedan (220 k km's) and diesel Toyota landcruiser (almost 730 k km's) - both 1992 build. No intention of replacing either, but personally I would *not* rate Tesla or BYD if I was to look at new vehicles. Just my view of course.
Saab no longer exists, and Saab cars have saved my life more than once in the past. Toyota's have well-established quality and resale value propositions. I haven't driven Korean made vehicles (Hyundai, Kia), or any Chinese made vehicles (EV or non-EV).
Any EV (as well as current gen non-EV's) are totally 'connected' cars and are all inexorably moving towards making everything about vehicle ownership a 'subscription' and requiring constant connectivity to the 'ecosystem' for forced firmware updating, etc.
HumanEarth · F
I dont know nothing about either one.
I only buy old, cause i cant stand this modern junk
I only buy old, cause i cant stand this modern junk
FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
Neither.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
You're forbidden to choose byd. Bite me, fascists!!! Lose.








