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Do you own a Tesla? Or would you want to own one in the future?

I mean I like cars but I'm not sold on the idea of buying one Elon Musk manufactured 馃槄
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wildbill8336-40, M
EV's are just a fad, they're too expensive & too impractical for mass marketing to working class people.
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Tetsuya51-55, M
@SW-User I would agree EV's are not a fad, but they are not the best solution for everyone - the Japanese are still seriously considering building out a hydrogen infrastructure in conjunction with their new nuclear power plant designs
TexChikF
@SW-User Literally how stupid can [b]you[/b] be ? The new field discovered in Texas will be able to provide for current and anticipated needs for the US got the next 200 years ! Oil is constantly being formed . There is no finite amount . And in - few hundred years they likely will have discovered new forms of energy . Lithium is a finite resource and obtaining it requires fossil fuels and destroying the area it鈥檚 located in
Ozuye50236-40, M
@wildbill83 i think what hes getting at is there's a better alternative that isn't out yet and honestly i believe its hydrogen gas. You literally fill the tank with tap water add an electrolyte and use a 12 volt battery to make hydrogen gas safely and widely available.
wildbill8336-40, M
EV's are not a modern development, they've been around since the late 1800's; They were even popularized in the 20's as easy to operate vehicles for women (i.e. Baker Electric). They never became a commercial success back then for the same reasons they won't now; poor range, poor logistics (we'd need three times as many charging stations as there are gas stations, closer together), expense, convenience, etc.

Contrary to popular belief, EV's are not zero-emission/"green" in any sense of the term, 70-80% of the emissions/environmental impact a vehicle produces are during it's manufacture, and in that regards, a conventional ICE powered vehicle is far cleaner (Lithium mining is a dirty business)

We're in no danger of running out of oil or coal; and even if we were, lack of gasoline & diesel would be the least of anyone's problems. You're not one of those silly people that believe that the thousands of petroleum byproducts we use every day like plastic grows on trees are you? A condition that these "greenie" technologies do absolutely nothing to negate... (if/when we ever run out of oil, we'll also run out of raw materials to produce your 80% plastic EV and batteries, the synthetic materials in your clothes, and all the glue/adhesives that hold it all together).

There is a better alternative to fossil fuels & chemically stored electricity (batteries), but you luddites panic every time someone even mentions nuclear power or hydrogen...
wildbill8336-40, M
@Ozuye502 the technology for on-demand mobile production of water into hydrogen doesn't exist, unless you plan on towing around a miniature nuclear reactor to power the water electrolysis.

Much more practical to produce hydrogen at a stationary location with large scale nuclear power, and store the pure hydrogen on the vehicle in metal hydrides (a technology that does exist, and is a safe convenient way to store hydrogen)
Ozuye50236-40, M
@wildbill83 got ya
Ozuye50236-40, M
@wildbill83 + vehicles currently on the road can be modified to run on hydrogen pretty easily.
wildbill8336-40, M
@Ozuye502 injectors & computer tweaking mostly; only exhaust is water vapor, so preferably a stainless exhaust to prevent oxidation/rust

a carbureted engine will run on hydrogen gas with little to no modification
Ozuye50236-40, M
@wildbill83 maybe a little jetting adjustment. But simply done otherwise.
Matt8536-40, M
@wildbill83 Hybrids solve the problem of running out of battery in the middle of nowhere. You can just switch over.
ninalanyon61-69, T
@wildbill83 [quote]a carbureted engine will run on hydrogen gas with little to no modification[/quote]

How many cars have carburettors these days?
Ozuye50236-40, M
@ninalanyon dirt bikes quads and motorcycles do.
ninalanyon61-69, T
@Ozuye502 So do lawnmowers but I wouldn't want to travel very far on any of them, especially in bad weather!
Ozuye50236-40, M
@ninalanyon well you can bring back old tech holly is still making the quadrajet
Ozuye50236-40, M
@ninalanyon and actually i prefer the old tech because 1 you don't need a computer to fix it and 2 i can fix it on the road or with basic tools. Nascar may still be running a carb not sure if they moved away from that but teams in the NHRA are running carbs on engines running in the 6s (thats 6 second 1/4 mile at 200+ miles per hour) so dont sleep on the old tech hell i think the world took notice at the 24 hr of Le Mans with the Garage 56 car. And honestly if the British made transmission didn鈥檛 go out they would have made a lot bigger of statement especially if they were running a carb on that v8.