Tyre wear - the other 'big pollutant' of motor vehicles (especially EV's) that nobody ever wants to talks about.

@SW-User he thinks his post will convince people to oppose EVs.

@samueltyler2
I that what this is about? Well, I own an EV in Sweden and I run from Stockholm at the south end, up to the Finland border at the north end of Sweden and I've got probably 2 dozen opportunities to stop along the way and charge my car along the way.

Actually, I plug it in at my parent's dairy farm because I can charge there for free and my Dad can write it off against his farming expense if I use the plug outlet on his workshop, which means everyone pays for my car's charge each time they buy a jug of milk!

In all honesty, I don't even think about driving an EV because it's such a non-issue.

@SW-User I think that is the case. What do you drive? I have a 2022 Polestar PS2.

@samueltyler2
I have a 2024 Volvo EC40 fully electric.

@SW-User the 2024 looks like my Polestar. They were once part of the same producer.

@samueltyler2 Still probably all made by Geely in China.

@zonavar68 that was a partner.

@samueltyler2 @zonavar68
Geely in China is a subsidiary of Volvo in Sweden. Geely makes the Polestar and Volvo makes the EC40

@samueltyler2


They are both entirely different vehicles inside and out from dimensions to appointments, including their respectively different tech packages.

About the only similarity I can see, is both of them being crossovers, which is not a sedan and not an SUV.

@SW-User the photos sure make them look alike.

@samueltyler2
Seriously? 🤔
The photos of those two cars don't even look similar, let alone alike! 😂

Here... try on these cheaters for now... 👓

May I book an eye examination for you? 👩🏼‍⚕️

@SW-User sorry if we disagree on the similarities.

@samueltyler2
No need to be sorry; there are no similarities to disagree upon anyway.

@SW-User actually, I just saw a YouTube comparing them. The person said they are very similar. Interestingly, the truth no is bigger in the Volvo, the center console smaller and the Volvo has two cupholders right there, unlike the silly design on my PS2. They compared the rear wheel drive PS2 to the AWD C40, which is really unfair as to range. The next time I am at the dealer I will check it out. My l ase is up in Feb, the C40 may be an alternative to the PS4 I have a deposit on. I haven't driven a PS4 nor do we have any idea what it will cost.

@samueltyler2
I've had a look at both of them myself Sam, about 6 months ago and the front ends of both vehicles are so vastly different from each other that you can't even consider them as even looking remotely similar to each other.

I don't know where the guy in your Youtube video was coming from when he came to the conclusion that the Polestar and the 40 were very similar, though it can be argued that a Hyundai SUV looks similar to a Porsche SUV when comparing size-to-size in respective size categories to each other.

But then again, you can make that same argument between any brand of car when comparing apples to apples in respective size categories.

The vehicle physical dimensions between the Polestar and Volvo are also very different from each other, which means I'm not just comparing similarities between their respective consoles and cupholders here! I'm talking vehicle length, width, wheelbase, wheel track and relative height above the road surface being conspicuously different from each other because those differences are noticeable.

Even the power train options are different from each other as well as optional suspension systems offered by Volvo, as well as the level of trim finishes inside both cars.

The Volvo is definitely a higher-end finished vehicle than the Polestar. The Volvo has a much higher safety-rating than the Polestar which makes sense considering the Polestar was originally marketed as the 'entry level', minimum capital-cost outlay for an EV sedan when it first came out a few years ago.

If you're considering a trade-in on your Polestar, check out the new Volvo lineup for 2025 because there are many more options of EV in their lineup now, than what Volvo had offered 2 years ago after they announced their discontinuance with gas engines.

@zonavar68

If I may answer this post you addressed to samtyler, what you've described here is the biggest complaint people have with the Tesla brand I've been reading, but that same complaint goes even to the Ford line involving gas engines... they all have that hideous iPad device in the center of the dash which one must access while driving in order to make changes to fan speeds, air conditioning settings and even air flow from the damn air vents! What the hell is that about?

I guess that's why I'm not a car person but instead, I'm a motorcycle person because I still like knobs, buttons and levers! It absolutely pisses me off to carry a co-pilot with me just to administer my commands to the iPad when I otherwise need to keep my eyes on the road when it's foggy as hell while driving at night!

@swirlie you seem to love to always take a contrary view. I don't know what upsets you so much.

I didn't say they are identical, I simply said they look very be similar. I don't happen to like the front of either the newer model of the PS2 not the Volvo. I am looking at the new line of EV Volvos, my Polestar is service at a Volvo dealership. It won't be a trade in, i lease cars and my lease expires in Feb. I am looking for another sedan.

As to calling Polestar entry level, I beg to differ. It took from the best of what Volvo had to offer. As to its build quality I would say they compare well with each other.

@swirlie Yes almost all modern cars have a giant middle screen, but only Tesla's that I know of have *no* displays directly in front of the driver, plus Tesla is hell bent on getting everyone to use full autonomous driving where they don't have to care what's going on outside. Tyre wear though is a big issue and all vehicles do it. I know there are plenty of heavy non-ev's (all the ute/truck/pickup/suv/4wd's ) contributing to this. I think it'll be many years before anything approaching full autonomous driving is allowed here in Oz.

@zonavar68 one of the things I love about my PS2 is exactly that.

@swirlie do you know what we, in Emergency Medicine, call motorcyclists? They are called organ donors!

@samueltyler2
I never used the word "identical" either, Sam. I've consistently used the word "similar" just like you've been doing.

The reason I take the contrary view is because I'm pointing out the truth to you; I'm not just playing devil's advocate here. Therefore, if the truth of what were talking about here is found in the contrary view, then so be it because I can support that view.

The bottom line is, what you've been eluding to in terms of vehicle similarities is categorically misleading. Both vehicles are distinctly different, but you are arguing that they're distinctly similar! They are not the same nor are they even remotely similar! I mean, I couldn't make this stuff up even if I wanted to.

When you purchased your 2022 Polestar 2 years ago, Volvo had what I'd call a scantily limited variety of options for EV's.

In fact, it was only 5 years ago when I first started looking at Volvo did they offer their very first EV hybrid which yielded a whopping 40 kilometers of range when running on battery-only, which is 24 miles!

I just looked at the salesman and laughed in his face when he told me that and he was highly offended that I reacted that way to Volvo's claim to fame! But that was 5 years ago at a time when Polestar was the only viable and the most suitable option out there if you were set on pure EV, because Volvo never even came close because they were running so far behind the pack.

Today, the folks at Volvo don't even want to say the word 'gas' because the gas engine is on it's way out the door at Volvo, which means Volvo either had to pick up the pace and get with the program, or they had to get out of the game entirely. Today, I think you'd be impressed with what Volvo now offers in EV options.

There was a time not long ago when Tesla was considered the cream of the crop, but now Tesla is considered as a very poorly made vehicle in comparison to what's now out there in the EV market, even from China and Korea.

@samueltyler2

Do you know what we, who ride Italian-made motorcycles, call ambulance drivers who drive at the posted speed limit in the left lane with their red lights flashing and their sirens blaring as we pass them on their left side in that little space between them and the median barrier?

They are called slow-pokes!

@swirlie Volvo is basically owned by the Chinese now.

@zonavar68
So is the USA owned by the Chinese now, well, Japan actually...