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ElwoodBlues · M
The Bible repeatedly mentions the "four corners of the Earth." But I can't get any of our resident bible thumpers to say whether or not a four-cornered object is an accurate representation of the Earth. It's a simple yes or no question they keep ducking.
Here's a short four corners list:
Isaiah 11:12 — And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Rev 7:1 — And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 20:8 — And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Ezekiel 7:2 — Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
This can't happen on a spherical Earth!
Matt 4:8 — Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Then we've got "ends of the Earth" all over the place, like
Proverbs 30:4 —
Who hath bound the waters in a garment?
Who hath established all the ends of the earth?
Job 37:3 — He directeth it under the whole heaven, And his lightning unto the ends of the earth.
If we're living on a sphere, we're never going to reach any "end of the Earth," so surely we shouldn't take passages like this literally, right??
Here's a short four corners list:
Isaiah 11:12 — And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Rev 7:1 — And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 20:8 — And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Ezekiel 7:2 — Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
This can't happen on a spherical Earth!
Matt 4:8 — Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Then we've got "ends of the Earth" all over the place, like
Proverbs 30:4 —
Who hath bound the waters in a garment?
Who hath established all the ends of the earth?
Job 37:3 — He directeth it under the whole heaven, And his lightning unto the ends of the earth.
If we're living on a sphere, we're never going to reach any "end of the Earth," so surely we shouldn't take passages like this literally, right??
NorthernBear · 51-55, M
@ElwoodBlues a better example is Matt 4:8 -- Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
There is no place on a spherical world one could do that. The ones you used are idioms people still use to this day
There is no place on a spherical world one could do that. The ones you used are idioms people still use to this day
ElwoodBlues · M
@NorthernBear Thanks! I have incorporated that!!
DocSavage · M
@ElwoodBlues
I gave him chapter and verse on the flat earth and the firmament. This is what I got. Like I wrote the fucking book ?
I don't care much for liars and blasphemers
I gave him chapter and verse on the flat earth and the firmament. This is what I got. Like I wrote the fucking book ?
DocSavage · M
Make a point
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
Because it's very complex and has been revised multiple times. Nobody knows for sure what's meant as literal or metaphor. It was also initially written in Latin, which is a dead language so it probably has been poorly translated on top of that.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@NortiusMaximus This forum isn't vey easy to follow because it does
not automatically include quotes when someone replies to a part.
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So, all you have to do is produce a legitimate original copy to support your claim. Can you do that?
not automatically include quotes when someone replies to a part.
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The OT was originally written in Hebrew and the NT in Greek. It was translated in to Latin later.
So, all you have to do is produce a legitimate original copy to support your claim. Can you do that?
NortiusMaximus · M
@Diotrephes To be honest, it's probably not possible to determine what is a genuine, original, legitimate copy. It does seem likely the OT was originally written in Hebrew considering who the purported authors were. As for the NT, it's possible it was originally in Latin but I'm not aware of any hard evidence either way.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@NortiusMaximus The thing is that every time someone claims that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, they are unable to produce such an ancient copy.
The earliest complete Bible in existence on this planet was written by a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists based in England in the 680s-early 690s. They produced three copies written in Latin, each weighing about 75 pounds. One copy still exists. Therefore, if there are any earlier versions all that is necessary is to produce it. Otherwise, you are just spouting propaganda to make the Bible older than its 1,332 years.
That is not to say that there are not bits and pieces of ragged scrolls floating around but they are not the Bible.
All you have to do is think. No one in the Third or Fourth Centuries would have been able to get all of those various scrolls together and compile them into a single volume. Think about the logistics and the technology of the time and they certainly wouldn't have been able to format it in its current series of books, that flow from one to another. That in itself should indicate that the process took a central planning committee.
The earliest complete Bible in existence on this planet was written by a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists based in England in the 680s-early 690s. They produced three copies written in Latin, each weighing about 75 pounds. One copy still exists. Therefore, if there are any earlier versions all that is necessary is to produce it. Otherwise, you are just spouting propaganda to make the Bible older than its 1,332 years.
That is not to say that there are not bits and pieces of ragged scrolls floating around but they are not the Bible.
All you have to do is think. No one in the Third or Fourth Centuries would have been able to get all of those various scrolls together and compile them into a single volume. Think about the logistics and the technology of the time and they certainly wouldn't have been able to format it in its current series of books, that flow from one to another. That in itself should indicate that the process took a central planning committee.
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I mean, you can't really blame them. They've chosen a worldview where if one little thing in the Bible is inaccurate, their entire belief system falls apart. It's incredibly fragile. So they have to attack every challenge vigorously (this is not how everyone who believes in the God of the Bible approaches the Bible, but this is how the group you're describing does).
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
There is a place in Spain called Finistere.
It is so called because when people first came there, they saw a cliff and oceans seas, and water as far as they could see.
They called it Finistere because they thought it was the physical end of the land they called their world.
This was the settled view until they discovered more.
Science has settled views until they discover more. If we waited for the final answer from Science, we would probably die before we got it. So we have learned that the scientific method produces results, that although not final, are safe to implement.
And Religion is still uncovering things about the various Gods and Their interactions with people. through the Studies of many people in many different fields.
Knowledge, Spirituality and the Human Race are continually evolving.
It is so called because when people first came there, they saw a cliff and oceans seas, and water as far as they could see.
They called it Finistere because they thought it was the physical end of the land they called their world.
This was the settled view until they discovered more.
Science has settled views until they discover more. If we waited for the final answer from Science, we would probably die before we got it. So we have learned that the scientific method produces results, that although not final, are safe to implement.
And Religion is still uncovering things about the various Gods and Their interactions with people. through the Studies of many people in many different fields.
Knowledge, Spirituality and the Human Race are continually evolving.
redredred · M
Bats aren’t birds, clams aren’t fish and the sun doesn’t circle the earth. Ask Galileo.
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1dayiWILLbRICH0 · 31-35, F
I think people just don’t know what you want them to do with that information. Because like how are they supposed to respond? They still believe in the Bible, regardless. And you still don’t! So like….lol
Baremine · 70-79, C
The four corners of the earth are compass points North South East and West. The ends of the earth refers to the Whole earth. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew Aramaic and Greek. The Latin Vulgate was a translation.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
You haven't in modern usage heard people use that terminology?
It is a fairly common term.
It is a fairly common term.
1dayiWILLbRICH0 · 31-35, F
The Bible pisses a lot of people off I get it. But if you don’t believe in it, don’t let it piss you off. It’s just a random book to you right? Who cares what other people are believing about it.
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1dayiWILLbRICH0 · 31-35, F
@Emosaur I absolutely agree lol. And I do read the Bible myself occasionally 😂 but for encouragement, not facts
1dayiWILLbRICH0 · 31-35, F
Shall we pick apart the Quran next tho? Lol
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@1dayiWILLbRICH0 Sure, start a thread.
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Adstar · 56-60, M
No specifics.. just a statement..
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
They do the same to me, or they call me stupid for seeing it.
Of course, the smart Christians just say it was an error by the humans writing it down...
Of course, the smart Christians just say it was an error by the humans writing it down...
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@swirlie
Just about all of it except for the more secular books such as Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Wisdom, and Sirach. The Maccabee books do contain some actual history as long as you delete the dialogue.
What part of the bible is a fairy tale in your opinion?
Just about all of it except for the more secular books such as Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Wisdom, and Sirach. The Maccabee books do contain some actual history as long as you delete the dialogue.