Population control WILL happen; it is inevitable, because either we will do it or mother nature will do it.

@BlueVeins hear hear

@Eternity ehhhhhhhh we could probably get a much better result from dedicating the same amt of money to family planning & sex ed in the developing world, and to far more humane and morally unambiguous results. would freak the cuckservatives out a lot less, which shouldn't be a factor but unfortunately is.

Wealthier countries have waaaaay fewer babies than poor ones, so beyond that, let's lay into development projects in general.

@BlueVeins people are dumb man,and the public education system is what made them that way.

Buying fertility off people with weak genes is such a simpler solution and, though more expensive in the short term, will ultimately save far more in the future on healthcare and aide for people with debilitating illnesses of body and/or mind.

@Eternity Not necessarily. First of all, most of the people who sell their fertility away are probably gonna be people who didn't want to have kids anyway. I mean, raising a kid costs half a million dollars minimum last I checked here in the developed world. Ultimately, the desire to reproduce isn't [i]super[/i] price-sensitive. So realistically, you'd be paying several score thousand -- if not over a hundred thousand -- per baby prevented.

And the ethics of doing this are kinda questionable. I mean in principle, it [i]shouldn't[/i] be wrong because all we're technically doing is giving people another opportunity on how to make money and nobody's legally obligated to take it. But it gets to the same problem as warfare where, when the government extends social mobility in exchange for some extreme sacrifice, it starts to become a replacement for welfare and defer the more serious action that we need.

Don't think that's a big problem? Fine, but it doesn't even come close to comparing to the downright angellic nature of foreign aid to developing countries and lifting people out of poverty. It's true that it's more complicated, but there's also way, way more statistical evidence behind that strategy and the poll of people we could reach is much, much larger.

I mean I did once but thats all.

@OogieBoogie fair point. I'm sure it would help with sustainability though; infinite expansion is not possible. We will have to slow down and find a holding pattern sooner or later.

Sooner saves lives, later ends millions abruptly .

@Eternity oh I agree we need to learn to decrease, become more efficient, produce less crap and more quality.

Work smarter, not harder.

@DDonde eugenics is not intrinsically evil; rockets blow things up but they also took us to the moon.

Evil and ignorant people used it for evil; decent and sensible people could use it for good