Austria - Segregating the Un-Injected

@Fairydust that time is already here....or do you mean across most of the planet?

@gol979 across the planet yeah

@gol979 @Fairydust
You know what pisses me off the most is when some Americans on here get all happy about stuff like this.

Right now America has no where near the vaccine/covid tyranny of other nations. It is easy for some USA residents to be happy about it since it is happening in other places.
They would NOT be happy if our own freedoms slowly (or maybe quickly?) got stripped.
It sickens me that some of my fellow Americans cannot see that this bullcrap is about control.

@CestManan Right now America has a major party who likes to say "choose life." And right now America has millions of citizens who are immuno-compromised and thus don't get much benefit from the vaccines.

So how do we "choose life" for the immuno-compromised? We do it with herd immunity. And where is the "choose life" party on the subject of herd immunity? Dead set against it. So maybe if they dropped the "choose life" hypocrisy it would be easier to understand their claims.

@ElwoodBlues What even is "herd immunity" anyways? I keep hearing that but never bothered asking.

@CestManan shouldn't America be on the cusp of invading Austria to "protect democracy"? 😉

@CestManan do you want the definition of hers immunity prior to covid or the new definition post covid. It literally changed lol

@gol979 It's different for different infectious agents. It's when R_effective is considerably less than 1. Here. I'll cut and paste my explainer:

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[b]Time to explain how disease elimination works.[/b] You need to understand there are two different perspectives here - personal health and public health.

[u]Personal[/u] health asks: what does this vaccine guarantee? Answer: depends on several things, including how good your immune system is. That's why no vaccine is 100% effective.

[u]Public [/u]health asks: how can we save lives and stop the spread? Public health tracks a variable they call R, the disease reproduction rate - if person A gets it, how many more people will person A infect. Really, there's R_0, R_effective, a bunch of subscripted R variables.

Anyway, R > 1 means the disease is multiplying, growing in the population, R < 1 means it's dying out. So how to reduce R? Distancing, masks, letting the disease run rampant thru the population, vaccination, all these methods reduce R. The key is to get R<1.

So what should a public health department do???
If you can release an 75% effective vaccine in combination with distancing, that may be enough to drive R to be less than 1. Then just wait for the disease to die out. Problem is nobody is willing to wait long enough.

Like I say, smallpox was 95% effective. Polio was 90% effective, and the Gates Foundation had it eradicated in almost all areas before Covid came along (I believe these days Russian prisons are the best place to catch polio).

We don't need a perfect vaccine, we just need enough people vaccinated and a measure of patience. But we don't seem to have either.

@gol979 either or will work.

@ElwoodBlues ok, we know you love forced injections, ppl to lose their incomes for enacting bodily autonomy and segregation (including children). Do you work for the 77th brigade?

@CestManan prior to covid it was herd immunity via naturally conferred immunity or medicine now the definition is you can only achieve here immunity with a magic injection. It's laughable

@gol979 Is that all you have? Lies, insults, & straw men?? C'mon, I'm sure you can make a real counter-argument if you try!

@gol979 The MMR vaccine, combining vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella, was released 50 years ago in 1971. By 1980, all US states had adopted requirements for mandatory MMR vaccinations for public school; these days it's a 2-dose regimen.
The Tdap vaccine - a follow-on the early childhood 5-dose DTaP - was released in 2005, and, like MMR, is required in all US states for public school.
[b]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-schools-arent-new-theyve-been-used-since-1850#A-history-of-vaccine-mandates-in-schools[/b]

All these years of multi-dose vaccine mandates (6 vaccines, 3 per shot, 2 shot & 5 shots regimens) for children have me wondering: why has vaccination against a 7th disease, Covid become politicized while the first 6 were fine? What's going on here?

@gol979 [quote]shouldn't America be on the cusp of invading Austria to "protect democracy"? [/quote]

I do not know how the USA will respond, if it even does.
The only reason they are not as big of tyrants here about things is because they know the people will go ape shit.

@gol979 [quote]do you want the definition of hers immunity prior to covid or the new definition post covid. It literally changed lol[/quote]
Interesting. Please link us to these two definitions so we can see the change for ourselves. Unless you're just bluffing.

@ElwoodBlues herd immunity... that "herd" sucks and there is more than one way.

herd immunity
[herd immunity]
NOUN
resistance to the spread of an infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"

@SW-User Agreed. Did you see my post earlier in this thread where I said
[quote] So how to reduce R? Distancing, masks, letting the disease run rampant thru the population, vaccination, all these methods reduce R. The key is to get R<1. [/quote]
I am still waiting for @gol979 to make good on his claim about how the definition allegedly changed.

@ElwoodBlues Nope and nope. I only point out that herd immunity does not only include a vaccine.
I don't care to argue and fight here or have long drawn out fights.

@SW-User [quote] I only point out that herd immunity does not only include a vaccine. [/quote] Again, I agree, and I said so earlier.

@ElwoodBlues Then, my point is the vaccinated need to let it go since not once do they care who already had covid.
And, I am now going to ignore any tags to this one.
Have a good day. :)