So, you vaccinated folks are going to take shots every three months? 😂 You'll be dead in a year.

@Rokasu So you don't know that the mutations are the result of the vaxes? Do you live under a rock somewhere. Look up antibiotic resistant and get back to me.

@hippyjoe1955 Viruses randomly mutate from replication. If anything not having an immune system response drastically increases the mutation possibility. And this shit lives in your system dormant for 2 weeks before your body takes action.

@Rokasu So do all living organisms. However when there is something like an ineffective vaccine or a disinfectant that doesn't kill all the bacteria or viruses the bacteria and viruses quickly mutate and thus avoid the vaccine or antibiotic. Let's drill down a bit. The covid vax is based on the premise that the body will fight the spike protein on the surface of the virus if the body produces that spike protein on its own. Brilliant idea. But what happens when the virus doesn't have that particular spike protein on its surface? The vax is completely unable to prevent infection and may actually have weakened the immune system. But what do you call a virus that doesn' have that particular spike protein? A MUTATION!

@hippyjoe1955 Actually, the Delta variant emerged in India - a YUGE population - when they had almost zero vaccines.

Mutations occur all the time in all organisms but only a vanishingly small percent of mutations are more 'successful' than the original organism. So how does nature improve the odds of a 'successful' mutation?

Nature uses the law of large numbers. Infecting a huge population increases the odds of a 'successful' mutation. Conversely, limiting the infection reduces the odds of all mutations. You know it's true. You know I'm right.

@hippyjoe1955 Vaccines whether effective or ineffective do not cause mutations. Gene mutation happens naturally and the mutations are all by chance. Evolution and mutations aren't a conscious occurence. The genes aren't aware of a vaccine and consciously try to work around it.


How you are describing gene mutations and evolution isn't how it works and nobody has ever said it works the way you describe.

@hippyjoe1955 That just means the tool we built doesn't work any longer, it doesn't mean it wasn't effective while it lasted. Random mutations are completely random. The longer the virus is alive and able to function, the longer it can randomly mutate.

Time is the winning factor here. Two weeks of living in your body with zero response is a long time for a virus to mutate as freely as possible. A vaccine that worked (Per person) will trigger an immune response immediately.

@MethDozer .

Transcript from a conversation between NPR science correspondent Richard Harris and Paul Bieniasz, Ph.D, Professor at the Rockefeller University.

RICHARD HARRIS, BYLINE: You may have heard that bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics and, in a worst-case scenario, render the drugs useless. Something similar can also happen with vaccines, though, with less serious consequences. This worry has arisen mostly in the debate over whether to delay a second vaccine shot so more people can get the first shot quickly. Paul Bieniasz, a Howard Hughes investigator at the Rockefeller University, says that gap would leave people with only partial immunity for longer than necessary.

PAUL BIENIASZ: They might serve as sort of a breeding ground for the virus to acquire new mutations.

HARRIS: That's because the virus is always mutating. And if one happens to produce a mutation that makes it less vulnerable to the vaccine, that virus could simply multiply in a vaccinated individual. But even if that happens, that's only one step in the process.

BIENIASZ: What's really unclear and really quite important for the virus to evolve is whether those people let - having been vaccinated and infected, whether they have sufficient levels of virus replication to pass the virus on to other people.

HARRIS: If the vaccine keeps virus levels low, even mutated viruses, the infected person won't produce enough to spread to other people. Unfortunately, at the moment, scientists can't answer the most basic questions about this process. How much does the virus actually replicate inside a person who has been vaccinated with either one dose or two? And how effective is that vaccine at limiting infection enough so that the virus levels stay low and prevent the spread to other people? Andrew Read at Penn State University says, whatever the answers may be, vaccine resistance or escape, as it's called, isn't nearly as scary as bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics.

@TheArbitrator Why are you posting this to me? Not one word is contradictory to what I said about the fact vaccines do not cause or promote mutations from occurring.


The article in fact supports what I said that mutations just happen willy-nilly.

@MethDozer exactly. The vaccine itself doesn't cause mutations

That transcript clearly says prior to and after the bolden section that people who've only received one shot and only have partial immunity may be a breeding ground for viral mutations as the virus is living inside of them and undergoing natural mutations.

@deadgerbil I'm not pro or anti Vax. I'm " I really don't give a shit one way or the other". But the vitriolic misinformation on both sides is infuriating.

@hippyjoe1955
If the antibodies don't fit at all with the spike proteins on a mutated virus, the body is in exactly the same situation as an unvaccinated person. And there's absolutely no reason to believe the vaccine weakens the immune system.

Just the opposite in fact. It's not a case of antibodies fitting or not fitting, there's a 'goodness of fit' factor. In the face of a mutation, the vaccine provides antibodies that are an imperfect fit to the mutant virus. They fight it weakly but better than nothing. That's why vaccines formulated for the original wildtype covid do so well against the Delta variant. The partial antibody fit buys time for the immune system to mount a better response.

@Rokasu you don't prevent mutation by wearing a mask............😳 mutation is going to occur anyway

@Rokasu Nonsense propaganda. It's going to mutate even if we hit 100% vaccination in the US. It's out there now in the wild, and it's going to be mutating from here on.

Stop promoting divisive propaganda.

@SumKindaMunster Eventually it's going to mutate into something that the vaccine induced antibodies will be ineffective at fighting, and then what? A new vaccine? This virus seems to be unstoppable by the vaccine. The only way to stop it is to stop the spread.

@Rokasu well the first two shots only protect you for 8 month's. U get less protection after.

@DeluxedEdition I meant reduce but eh.

@SumKindaMunster I'm glad you understand how mutation works. Now do you understand probability?

@Rokasu What does probability have to do with you spreading bullshit propaganda?

@SumKindaMunster Probability is a key element in mutations. The more copies of a virus that exist, the higher probability of a dangerous mutation. Probability of a dangerous smallpox mutation is ZERO because there are no more cases of smallpox.

If we do a better job suppressing Covid out breaks, there will be fewer cases, thus fewer chances to mutate.

@SumKindaMunster Alright I'll directly answer your statement.

Yes, it's out there in the wild mutating. It was doing that in the first place. But either accidentally or intentionally, it infected humans and we didn't take it serious/lied about it/whatever the hell happened. Now we have to stop it so we can reach the point it's only in animals again.



I'm done here.

@Rokasu Well maybe that's what you should have said instead of:


That's bullshit propaganda, and I am tired of people spreading it.

Toodles. 👋