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There is a epidemic of lonliness in the USA why is this?

With cell phones, the internet? I'm wondering, are those two things indeed the exact problem?
bijouxbroussard · F Best Comment
My mother, as intelligent as she’s always been, hasn’t had any interest in computers or the internet. It’s not necessarily an age thing, Pop is older and used to build them. I gave him an IPad for his 83rd birthday, then updated it last year, and he’s never without it. The lockdown was very difficult for Mom and as an extrovert she missed being with her friends. Zoom didn’t cut it for her. She reluctantly FaceTimed with me and my middle sister—my niece showed her how to accept a three-way chat.
But I do think that conditions last year exacerbated her illness. 😞
@bijouxbroussard Grateful to hear your parents are alive and doing reasonably well. Your mom is honestly more techie than I could hope to be. Sorry she hasn't been doing so well as of late. They sure did a wonderful job of raising a daughter. So great hearing from you. My best friend here had multiple strokes and I fear may not be moving back. Her younger sister told me to take her house key and take whatever I want, I really don't need anything but took most of her artwork since I actually have two square inches of bare wall in one room. Then, went and bought another piece today I couldn't resist. A pencil sketch of a lion cub amused by a butterfly. Love you honey! 🥰

MasterofNone · 26-30, M
Two things have happened simultaneously. Advent of internet and cell phones and an increase in individualistic lifestyle. Can't say both are related but the latter is a bigger reason (lack of proper family structure). But it's a good thing. We are in a stage between traditional family structures and enlightened individuals and are having difficulty transitioning. We want to have a productive life with everything according to how we want things to be without any compromise but still want other people to be in it. In traditional family structures, there had to be some compromises on the part of every individual.


Also,....

From what little I have seen of USA, the environment had a lonely feeling to it. The towns and cities are extremely big compared to the number of people that live in it. Now I am a loner and rarely talk to anyone IRL but if you are in a land where people are found mostly in cars and buildings and rarely on streets (with the exception of really busy streets) and where you hear sounds of transportation systems and other machines more than people or nature, you are going to get a bit of a lonely vibe.

Population density doesn't need to be more. Even if you are in a jungle alone you feel connection somehow because of all the life you see around you but empty big concrete structures can give a sense of loneliness.

So internet and cell phones and people glued to them could be just a symptom of loneliness or a small part of the reason. But overall I don't want things to go back but we could be moving towards a better but different future where all individual lives are expressed fully and yet there's no loneliness and no friction between different individuals.
@MasterofNone Unfortunately, not something one can teach. A Sioux Shaman told me, "Feel the earth under your feet and listen" Everyone can expand the gift of intuition, you just need to have confidence, Even my dad said, "David, listen to the rocks, they have stories to tell" I have come to the point where I trust fully that what I seek will be revealed, not through mankind but the good earth. We as a species have become deaf and dumb to our surroundings.
MasterofNone · 26-30, M
@Grateful4you Absolutely amazing ! Very wise! I totally agree with this and I do try to listen what everything around us has to tell beyond words and I find that pretty much everything in the environment interacts with us all the time.
@MasterofNone Not so sure about "Wisdom" If empathy and intuition are partners to wisdom perhaps I've been gifted a small dose over the years. Remember, always celebrate the "Crazy lady on the bus" she has a message for you of importance. The most pedestrian, down-trodden folks are the ones I celebrate and look for.
bookerdana · M
The internet and phone can't take away the lack of seeing people and hugging them..everyone blames thee net for every problem but there are OFF switches on devices
@bookerdana Exactly right. I'm much like my dad, I enjoy being physical. He was alway's putting his arm around someone and telling one of his corny jokes. People actually sought him out. A great role model for me.
bookerdana · M
@Grateful4you someone mentioned when America was making its way across the wilderness but there was community in those towns..they even helped build each others houses
@bookerdana Absolutely, that still happens in North Dakota and Black Hills of SD. They have to rely on each other. Trade and bartering is still a part of the community lifestyle.
Classified · M
I think it's from all ages. Though in this case lockdowns don't help either.
Classified · M
@Grateful4you The actors are also in an environment where it's accessible. 🤔
@Classified True. I'm pretty much retired now and enjoying a sedate, lazy lifestyle.
Classified · M
@Grateful4you Do you still teach every now and then?
I think people have become so used to being able to communicate that they have become jaded and now are disgusted by other people. But at the same time they have the instinct and drive to reach out to someone. But when they do, that triggers their apathy which triggers their loneliness which triggers their apathy and on and on and on.
@canusernamebemyusername A lot of truth there. It's said that familiarity breeds contempt. I don't seek to intrude but seek to make others happy without being intrusive about it. I still prefer face-to-face intercourse rather than tech. devices.
LadyBronte · 56-60, F
A history of being taken advantage of by those who are disrespectful, dishonest and not trust worthy keeps people from reaching out and making connections with others.
@LadyBronte Yes, but those people have existed since the beginning of time, I think there are other factors at large here.
LadyBronte · 56-60, F
@Grateful4you Yes, they have, but wiith the advent of meeting strangers via the internet - those people are more likely to surface on a much broader level. More people are affected, hurt and eventually broken. In the past...you married within your own community or a neighboring community. Everyone knew everyone, people's reputations proceeded them. Today, strangers can pretend to be any damn thing they want to and there's no one who knows the difference. It is an issue.
@LadyBronte All valid and true observations.Thanks for a valuable contribution to the thread hon.
helenS · 36-40, F
I have never perceived a feeling of loneliness when I was alone in a forest; but I felt lonesome and forlorn when I was alone in a big city. Lonesome, within a crowd of 10,000 people.
Not sure whether that's relevant, regarding your question.
@helenS Absolutely relevant and true for me as well. I prefer small towns and have for many decades, I actually seek them out for the reason you stated.
Adstar · 56-60, M
Not surprised.. When people spend half their lives with their heads buried in the mobile phones on social media and have no real flesh friends how can anyone be surprised that so many people are lonely?

People are doing their absolute best to live isolated lives..
@Adstar best answer
@mysteryespresso At least another one. I really appreciate the thoughtful comments contributed tonight. Thanks.
It’s curious no that when America was a wilderness everyone was roughty -toughty about it. And now there’s services, wifi and 24hr news people are lonely.
@mysteryespresso And with more people working at home, more isolation, it becomes more of a chore to socialize. Sitting at a desk in front of a computer is more draining than plowing the lower forty. People are too exhausted physically but wanting mentally.
@Grateful4you If I'm not wrong AI and automation will only make it worse and you'll see people working online, away from home, maybe from some island or forest area
@mysteryespresso There is going to be a huge surge (and little supply) of homemade goods, handicrafts, etc. If I were starting out in life I would learn woodworking, people love good old natural handcrafted furniture etc. Also, teahouses (like in Japan) will be the next big thing. Young people can earn a fortune learning the art of herbal teas and creating a meditative, ambient environment while making a fortune. Mark my words on this, I've rarely been wrong.
We learn from all these answers that modern city life makes a person feel lonely.

We see so many happy people with better social life that might make us feel comparatively lonely . In forest there are no people.
@mysteryespresso In forests, and by the sea, I've never been lonely, only inspired by how insignificant I really am in the scheme of things. It makes me realize that just to have one connection with a person, or animal is all I need to sustain me.
@Grateful4you exactly.
SW-User
Cell phones and internet can not bring you the depth of connections needed to feel belonged. A lot of socialising in internet is shallow. Not doing things with family and friends brings a little distance and a feeling of loneliness.
It's not just in USA.
SW-User
I think that's everywhere tbh, I remember talking to someone who lived in a house full of people and he told me he feels lonely often
@SW-User people feel lonely on fb, the biggest sm website online
Graylight · 51-55, F
And books have been and will be written about this, but with technology comes isolation.

Community is a social construct based on survival needs. It used to be that in order to survive yourself oh, you had to ensure that the rest of your tribe survived, too.

Today, I could easily live on my own with people simply leaving supplies on a front doorstep and access to the internet. And isolation is a funny thing - once it gets a taste of your brain, it can pretty much set up shop as it likes.
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
I think technology can provide something of an illusion in being able to connect with people immediately who are not right there, though I think there might be something in human nature that benefits a lot more from face-to-face, and that's now happening less, yes, partly due to tech... Just my thoughts.
@PhilDeep And valuable thoughts they are. I think your first point is spot on. It's way too tempting to embellish one's persona with falsehoods on the internet. I'm the first to admit I've been a bit subject to embellishments, still too much of a people pleaser wanting to be liked. Probably from being a chubby gay kid in my youth. The one no one wanted on their team in gym class.
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
@Grateful4you Yeah, I get the whole unwanted and sidelined thing, friend. I am somewhat hopeful that when the current Covid mess is over people might start appreciating face-to-face more and trying to relate better.
@PhilDeep I see that happening already in this town. I think it's, (The pandemic) actually the tonic we needed. A deeper sense of community. People need people during crisis.
Miram · 31-35, F
what does loneliness mean to you?
@Miram It's really something that I'm not familiar with. I love entertaining myself with my own absurd thoughts. My two cats keep me amused. And I enjoy brief interactions with neighbors and strangers I come across. How about you?
Miram · 31-35, F
@Grateful4you I don't experience it. I am anti-social and I like my alone time even though I miss people and have difficulty letting go after they pass away.
@Miram I do like my alone time. Since I no longer go out much I do enjoy being social now and then. I keep a very small circle of friends. (Including a few here I've known now for many years)
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
Same reason there's a depression epidemic, too much dopamine from your phone so now you need constant stimulation. If some people don't get likes on their post for a full hour they WILL start crying.
@Rolexeo Good observation re:Stimulation people like my partner guzzle energy drinks that has to play havoc with the psyche at some point.
Lack of money maybe
@mysteryespresso I doubt that. I'm happier now than when I was quite well off.
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