Fight Globalism And Racial Hysteria Created By The Media.

@Pherick


It's entirely situational. Your claim is they wouldn't have faced justice otherwise - you simply cant know that. It's possible Chauvin would have been charged regardless, it's possible he wouldn't have. It's unfalsfiable at this point.


He didn't deserve to die, I've already agreed. But it's clear there was a way Rayshard could have navigated that situation which would have avoided that use of deadly force (i.e. comply with the arrest and challenge it with a lawyer afterwards).

The moment anyone, regardless of ethnicity, resists arrests and overpowers an officer, they are increasing the chances that an officer will have to discharge his weapon. Me and you both agree we want to avoid that, so understanding the best way to interact with police to maintain peace is paramount, and part of that is knowing how to be arrested.

Another part is better police training - LEO's aren't suitably trained to deal with the huge variation of interactions they're going to have with the public. It's a demanding and stressful profession, and as I've already said, with the added risk that they don't know who's armed, what they're mental state is, what danger they might be in etc.


Sorry, Pherick, it may not have been your intention, but you did. Your comment was "I mean that is just about as fucking racist as it gets man" - I take that to mean you believe my comment came from a place of racism. It didn't, and this is worth clarifying.

Agreed, Roland Fryers study shouldn't be taken in isolation, which I've already said, hence why I can provide another 3 studies with differing scopes, abstracts and methods which reach similar conclusions.

My point is this; BLM (for all the good that they have enacted and are capable of enacting) and the left leaning media is pushing a narrative which they haven't demonstrated, and is in fact very damaging. There are real issues of institutional racism that need to be addressed, but instead we're chasing our tails with a false narrative. And if anyone questions that narrative, they're branded a racist.

It's possible for proponents of BLM to hold positions worthy of criticism, just as everyone else.


We're not though, that's the issue. Violence, cancel culture, social media acting as judge and jury - these are tools being used to systematically shut down conversation on both ends of the spectrum. Just because you and I are having a conversation now, doesn't mean this is common place.

@SW-User
Perhaps, but its certainly possible to find quite a bit of evidence that would suggest cops are not held to account when they kill someone in the line of duty. It would seem to me that the evidence shows this happens more to Blacks than whites, but it happens. So its not unbelievable to think that those police officers would have gotten away with this without the large BLM and other various protests.


I am not sure what to say here this still seems, to me, that you are trying to put his death out of the hands of the cops. I agree that his arrest and flight were not good ideas, but we give police the power of life and death. They should always be using that power in a controlled manner. A man fleeing from you, without a weapon, is never a case for a weapon discharge.

Police take their jobs knowing exactly what they are in for on a day to day basis. That cannot be a surprise to them. They take it for many reasons, they want to help their communities, they want to protect people etc. However there always are bad apples, people who want the job perhaps for good reasons at first, but then get a taste of power and feel like they are above us. That no citizen should ever criticize or say no to them. That is not their job.

They do not get to look at a fleeing man, and decide, "He didn't listen to me, I get to kill him now".


Perhaps I should clarify. I think your comment came from a place of ignorance and systemic racism. This quote is pretty clear. You are not Black, you have no idea what Black people go through on a regular basis, and I have a feeling you haven't actually sat down with many of them and asked if your statement is true. I think BLM quite clearly says they do fear from the police, and as I pointed out, your studies are very focused and perhaps not even 100% interpreted correctly (as the author of one even states).

My point here is that making assumptions for all POC because you have seen some studies, is a very ignorant thing to do. It implies that POC are lying and that their stories and feeling don't matter. I would rather ask my Black friends, (which I have) and listen to BLM. They are the truth of the situation for me. Myself, as white as they come, my white friends and family have had nasty run-ins with police, in cases where there was nothing on the line, an accident or report being made. So I have no problem believing BLM and friends on their reports that police treat them differently.

When I hear someone say "cancel culture" I will be honest I have to laugh. Its just not a thing. You know what it is? Its a boycott, its a time-honored capitalistic tool for a group of people to influence businesses. The right uses it CONSTANTLY. Yet I only hear it called "cancel culture" when people see other groups boycotting something they think shouldn't be boycotted.

I am not even sure what violence you are referring here to? Are their protests yes, have their been incidents of violence at some of them? Yes, usually when overwhelming force is used on what started as peaceful protests. However, 5% of violence doesn't negate or diminish the 95% of protests which are not violent.

At the end of the day, this is probably a moot point. I don't think your ideas about the current situation are correct and you aren't going to change my mind. I don't think I am going to change your mind. All I ask is that you read some of what I posted. Try and empathize with POC. Put yourself in their shoes, try and see the world through their eyes, be an ally.

Thats all I can ask.

@Pherick Agree to disagree on the first point.


The above comment simply isn't true. Rayshard was armed and I argue the responding officers reacted in a justifiable manner. Rayshard resisted a valid arrest (he was driving whilst literally blackout drunk). He overpowered an officer and gave him a concussion, he stole the officer's stun gun and discharged it once, he went to flee but then turned and discharged the weapon again toward the pursuing officer.

There's something called the "use of force continuum" which LEO's are taught (including at the Atlanta police academy) - essentially, you always need to be one level above the assailant . For instance, if someone assaults you unarmed, you should deploy mace or your taser. If they have a knife, a firearm etc. you should deploy your firearm.

If Rayshard managed to land a successful hit with that taser, the officer would be incapacitated for at least 5 seconds and Rayshard would have access to his firearm. In fact, a taser can kill a person if used by someone without the relevant training. So I argue that, within that very highly-charged moment, the officer acted within the continuum and had cause to discharge his firearm.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Georgia Sheriff Alfonzo Williams - 30 years in law enforcement, 27 years teaching use of force, has trained 100's of LEO's and has shot and been shot by a taser. He rules that this shooting was totally justifiable.


I've given you no reason to reach such a conclusion. You're treating me like an adversary when both of us have the same desire - to minimise inequality and injustice as much as possible. We simply disagree on the minutiae.


You seem to think that listening to a few anecdotal testimonies will be sufficient to give us an adequate understanding of a problem, but I disagree. For instance, there are millions of interactions between LEO's and civilians each year, so a handful of testimonials will do very little to reveal a wider pattern in said interactions.

What we must do is analyse all the available data, look for patterns, identify where there's systemic issues, and address them. By doing this, we're taking into account all experiences, not just a few anecdotes - you see, I care about every single experience, not just a handful of testimonies from my friends. And if the anecdotes are true (i.e. cops disproportionately kill unarmed black Americans) then it would become readily apparent. It, as of yet, hasn't.

I listen to a lot of black American voices on this; John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury. These are people who for years have been raising issues surrounding systemic racism, and from whom I've learned a great deal about some of the most fundamental challenges facing black Americans today. In my opinion, we're not concentrating our efforts on the underlying issues that hold black Americans back today; that being the huge wealth disparities created as a result of Redlining and Jim Crow, which now sees black Americans 2.5x more likely to exist below the poverty line. Poverty is closely tied with many other issues facing black Americans today (i.e. crime, education, job prospects), so if we resolve one issue, it'll help at least partially in resolving others.

BLM as a movement deserves props - with its help, we're talking about universal police body cams, ending qualified immunity, and shining an ever-brighter spotlight on police interactions across the board. But it doesn't make BLM immune to criticism - it doesn't make me a racist because I call out what I think are bad ideas.


It's a name given to a legitimate phenomenon - label it whatever you like, but the idea that people can have their reputations tarnished, usually through the means of levying misinformed or entirely false allegations towards them, is a fact. Doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, a Republican or whatever - its reach is universal.

@YumaJames26 So because YOU apparently have never experienced it, Black people from ALL over the US are wrong?

@Pherick Never said that. There are random instances of racism by idiots.

@YumaJames26 But yet you don't believe that racism is wide-spread, that its a media conspiracy? So you do believe Black people all over the US are making it up.

Its one or the other.

@Peaches Yet you can't point me to any articles showing the damage done or the looting? You personally witness this?

Perhaps you should be the one zipping it if all you are going to do is make personal attacks without any data to back up your statements?

@Pherick YES I've witnessed it! 😠 No one is attacking you...but YOU know a lot about THAT!👎🏼

@Peaches You seem a little upset at me for just asking for evidence.

So can you give me an account of what you saw? Where in the city were you? What did you see?

@SW-User When you are half, you are half. I have no leanings to one over the other. YOU don't understand what it is like to be mixed race.