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Back in the day why would people say you were being possessed by a demon when people would have seizures

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MethDozer · M Best Comment
No other explanation available at the time. At the time religion was generally accepted and without any evidence based explanations it seemed the most simple.

It is most likely it is the mystery of seizures, birth defects, mental illnesses that led to the creation of demons and devils as the most simple explanations for such things. Not vice versa.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer Religion is still generally accepted, despite the liberal culture and media trying to insist otherwise. It’s true that many false ideas were created by lack of knowledge, but religion wasn’t the cause.
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 No religion wasn't the cause of false ideas to explain such things. Religion WAS the false idea to explain such things. Big difference.

Not does religion have anything to do with liberals or conservatives. The Christian right thinks it has a lock on conservatism and has liberalism as an enemy. The fact is the Christian right didn't existt unt the 50's and 60's and Christian identity as a political force is not the historical standing of the nation. The government has ways been secular by design. They are full.of shit. They say they are conservatives yet they take a religiously progressive stance on the Constiution, didn't exist as a political force or movement till the middle of the last century, and ignore the fact that Liberalism and libertarianism is the defacto conservative philosophy in the American system.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer Two different topics. I stated that the liberal culture is trying to push the idea that religion is an outdated belief system. That’s simply a fact. The rest is a deep well that can’t be addressed except on a case by case, argument by argument bases. To address one issue, the conservative movement came about because of the secularization of the culture. It was always the norm before the time period you speak of.
indyjoe · 56-60, M
@Trucker334 He didn't say it was the cause (and neither did I), we both said why religious belief was often used as an explanation for it.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@indyjoe I addressd specific things you said. We all agree on the fact that you just stated. I posted as much myself.
indyjoe · 56-60, M
@Trucker334 I'm sorry to have to dispute you, but you didn't "address" anything I said...you just attacked with "it's BS". Which only sends the message that you believe you are right and anyone else is wrong (unless of course they happen to think just as you do).
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 No, modern culture has facts, quantifiable data, and repeatable data to look at dismiss religion as an outdated and archaic system.

The nation was founded as a secular nation and is a secular government. By design. You are doing the exact revisionist crap I mentioned the Christian Right invented a few decades ago. You say conservatism was created as a reaction to secularization. False, patently false. Conservatism has existed long before that. What the Christian Right did was take the term conservatism and redefined it into something that it never meant in the American political sphere and hijacked. They did not invent it and A strong theocratic government was never the design or intention of the USA not was it ever the major influence they claim it was. THE Christian Right isn't even Conservative really, they are religiously progressive. It is a new movement.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@indyjoe You’re correct. My apologies. I have four similar conversations going and I was lazy with my comments about what you said. My point was, as I stated earlier, there are many educated people who still worship God. So, to say that fear and ignorance was the driving force in people’s belief system is just an easy way out.
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 There are very few credited scientist who claim to be religious. Nor does being educated preclude someone from being ignorant.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer Again, you’re changing the topic. I was addressing the dates you set out. Everything you just said is simply the confusion of a much bigger issue. I’d love to talk, but how about one topic at a time. I don’t have all day to address the entire exsistance of American society.
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 I am not changing any topic son. You been schooled on the facts and are trying to tuck tail because you cannot refute it without bullshit.
indyjoe · 56-60, M
@MethDozer Educated beyond intelligence I'd say, wouldn't you?
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer I can and I will, after I get some sleep. I like it when people jump from one topic to another, your jumping into the history of the US is off topic from the original post. You’re spewing out complete garbage and claiming victory because I’m not going to make generalizations and I’m also not going to fucking try and type out a long ass response at 5:45 a.m.
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 No, you just aren't able to keep up. Let us go back. You start spewing about liberal culture attacking religions legitimacy. That there leads to what I said to you and the facts I layed out calling you on your bullshit. It isn't changing the topic, it is backing you into a truth corner you can not crawl.out of and you now attempt to create room by pretending the other person changed the topic and introduced another subject.
indyjoe · 56-60, M
@Trucker334 Changing topics? Really? I didn't see him mention the US once...only YOU did. What would that have to do with it anyway? "There is none so blind as those who will not see"
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer I said that the liberal culture is trying to insist that religion is no longer relevent. That’s a fact, I’ve repeated this twice now. It is a fact and you do nothing to address it except go on a rant about politics.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@indyjoe What the fuck are you reading?
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@indyjoe

MethDozer · 36-40, M
@BigM4LittleF No religion wasn't the cause of false ideas to explain such things. Religion WAS the false idea to explain such things. Big difference.

Not does religion have anything to do with liberals or conservatives. The Christian right thinks it has a lock on conservatism and has liberalism as an enemy. The fact is the Christian right didn't existt unt the 50's and 60's and Christian identity as a political force is not the historical standing of the nation. The government has ways been secular by design. They are full.of shit. They say they are conservatives yet they take a religiously progressive stance on the Constiution, didn't exist as a political force or movement till the middle of the last century, and ignore the fact that Liberalism and libertarianism is the defacto conservative philosophy in the American system.
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MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 No it is not a fact. Since liberalism is the true conservative philosophy. You, YOU are bringing in politics with your introduction of the liberal slight. You are politicizing it. Also it is false, it is not the liberal media, it is the scientific and data based enlightenment that is destroying your precious mythology. Those are facts, yet I cannot fully expect the religious to recognize facts when they are presented.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Trucker334 You seem like a fool, completely detached from the exchange. I'd find something else to do if I were you. Trying to argue points that only exist in your head may give some folks the impression that you're possessed.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@Miram Thank you for your ignorant observation.
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
@MethDozer What facts are you referring to sir? You’re either lying outright or dumb as hell to think that liberal society isn’t attacking religion in our current day and time.
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 I thought You were going to bed?
Trucker334 · 46-50, M
I will but I enjoy talking about this. I’m just not going to dig into the entire American history when it’s off topic and I don’t even give a shit about it. @MethDozer
MethDozer · M
@Trucker334 Stop using the word liberal, you clearly have no idea what it actually means.

No, it is not attacking religion. What is being attacked is science and reason by an increasingly hostile religious zealotry because science and reason has objectively debunked so much of the mythology
So the only thing that is happening is educated and logical people are pushing back from the attempts to establish a theocracy.
Sorry, but discovery and experimentation is what is branding your religion as archaic and outmoded, nothing else. That scares the religious as it challenges their security blanket beliefs and challenges the Church authority it once had over its practitioners. It is grasping for identity.