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Does the way a woman/girl dress for you.....

justify the reason for assault or provocation of any kind? In the eyes of the law, through your understanding should the victim be asked why they think their state of dress provoked the other party in any way that possibly led to such events or circumstances?

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GlassDog · 46-50, M

Not at all. It seems to imply that there are rapists out there and an individual has found herself under threat as she caught the eye of one of them because of what she wore. How about we focus on the person who has committed the crime and not try to shift blame or mitigation onto the victim?

I do understand why defence lawyers may try this tactic, because ultimately they've got to pick on anything they can, but it feels immoral to me.

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Darci ·

@GlassDog I'd say the defense lawyer was arrogant and a bit insensitive but he definitely wanted to win the case so he went on to blast the victim as best as he could and in fact won. People argue that if you're found not guilty by a court therefore innocent. However it comes to my thinking that not having substantial proof to jail someone doesn't prove innocence? Like my mum's case kind of.

GlassDog · 46-50, M

@Darci There are also loads of mistrials because a certain procedure wasn't followed or the police acted in such and such a way. Most people in the jury are sure the defendent is guilty but they get off on a technicality. I think that's why the say the law is an ass.

Darci ·

@GlassDog It's hard to judge why the jury would stick to their claim of innocence if they think the accused it guilty. Overall I think you would have to be really lucky to win a case in court. Like absolute straight facts that would send you to jail without having to question them. Or little questioning just to make sure.

ZenKitzune · F

It's not going to justify it but it sure as hell won't help, let's be completely honest.

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ZenKitzune · F

@waterman1005 I have a 13 yr old daughter, idk if you have kids at all but most parents would be reluctant to let their girls out wearing anything sexy after dark. Why is that if it shouldn't make a difference? I mean Yeah, ideally it should not matter but in reality it isn't much of a comfort knowing that having already been raped or attacked. Like I said it does not justify it at all but it doesn't help to act in a risky way either.

waterman1005 · 56-60, M

@ZenKitzune I agree with what you’re saying in a way. I have always watched what my 4 daughters wore and they’ve had to change some outfits and they never went out after dark without 3 or 4 other people

ZenKitzune · F

@waterman1005 thank you, it seems a common thing to be wary of but a somewhat shocking thing to say for some reason.

frequentlyme · 70-79, M

The way a female of any age dresses does not, in any way shape or fashion justify any type of sexual aggression/assault, lewd comment, etc. Period.

Darci ·

@frequentlyme It does in the eyes of the law though. Apparently. However it's interesting to see what the general public has to say about the matter too.

frequentlyme · 70-79, M

@Darci Unfortunately, the law is often perverted. There is no law (in the U.S.) that I am aware of that allows this line of questioning. Lawyers though, do introduce it to defend the scum that commit these crimes, and the judges, virtually 100% of them male, that allow this sort of questioning, are also scum.

Darci ·

@frequentlyme Yeah I've read up some cases lately and was completely disgusted. It's just a hard to judge such cases though. I guess a defense lawyer would come up with pretty anything to make a victim sound guilty. In my opinion at least.

badapple

🙄 look at the kinds of men on this site, you could wear a burlap sack and they will still sexually harass you. a lot of men are just plain creeps.

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Darci ·

@badapple Problem is, some are too convincing and you end up screwed anyway. You shouldn't fear what's obvious but rather what's hidden.

badapple

thats true too, never can tell with people who they are or how they act.

Darci ·

@badapple More like a matter of fortune or misfortune.

SW-User

i mean context matters, you don't show up to a funeral in a g string (generally) not expecting negative feedback. assault is never justifiable.

Darci ·

@SW-User Yeah you can look at it from that perspective too.

AllAboutLaffs · 70-79, M

Attire ... or lack of attire ... is NEVER a provocation or invitation. Unless she SAYS yes, it's a no !!!

Darci ·

@AllAboutLaffs So far I think it the same way too.

AllAboutLaffs · 70-79, M

@Darci It's pretty simple ....

waterman1005 · 56-60, M

No it’s never an excuse

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JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

@waterman1005 Even if she is laying the naked. Naked is not an invite to sex

waterman1005 · 56-60, M

@JaggedLittlePill as I said in the last sentence if she says no you stop!

Darci ·

@JaggedLittlePill Yeah but defence lawyer could take that into account what will you answer then?

MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M

It's not an excuse, but sometimes you just got to ask the victim "Do you think there's anything you can do better in the future?", since it's a dumbass move when people know there's creeps out on the streets and that it can attract such.

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Darci ·

@MartinTheFirst You're free to counter argue it if you wish to. Never said you ought to agree with me or anything I say.

MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M

Okies

Darci ·

👍

JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F

No. Never. Ever.

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