Does the way a woman/girl dress for you.....

@MartinTheFirst In my mind, taking that line of thought puts the blame/responsibility on the woman. I disagree with that totally.

@frequentlyme In my mind, it does not. The victim has to understand that not everything is black and white, obviously the fact that she was out around those hours, at that place, acted in such a manner as they did and how they dressed completely affected the situation they were put in. Of course all the fault of the situation is on the rapist, but if you want to protect yourself you have to understand that things can be done differently to prevent such in the future.

@frequentlyme P.s obviously all women have responsibility, all people do, and that is to do our best to stay safe. If that requires you to wear modest clothing then do so.

@MartinTheFirst So, your contention is that my behavior should dictate your dress. Is that correct? If so, then I would have to disagree.

@frequentlyme Let's compare this to a traffic situation.

You see someone coming in on your street in a lane where according to law they have to stop for you since you're going straight forwards.

You however see that they are not slowing down, they are going to crash right the fuck into you if you don't stop right now!

Wait... You're the victim and no longer have no responsibility, if they crash into you it's their fault.. right.. So you step on the pedal and continue driving and they drive straight into you!

You go to court and the judge asks you [b]"We are going to sentence the other driver, but... is there anything you think you could have done to stop that from happening"[/b], with your legs paralyzed you say[b] "I am so offended, I am the victim here, I shouldn't have to take any responsibility as long as I follow the law!"[/b]

@MartinTheFirst There's an interesting observation there actually...

@Darci It's most logical but everyone are so damn tied into their "Victimizing omg!!!"... look at it objectively.

@MartinTheFirst Assault is a serious crime. You shouldn't have to lie about it unless you have mental instability of some sort. You'll never disgrace yourself in that way unless you've something to gain from it. That's the way I see it.

@MartinTheFirst I or you, or for that matter anyone, can justify an action, place responsibility upon another, or otherwise evade the action(s) we take by transferring the responsibility, in part of fully, upon another. There is right and there is wrong. Sexually assaulting someone cannot be justified, in full or in part, by what the person was wearing. Comparing a willful act of sexual predation upon a woman to a traffic situation is, in my mind, a non sequitur.

@frequentlyme Like i said 3 times, it is not justifying the actions of the rapist. It is teaching the young girl a lesson.

@Darci lying? wtf are you talking about?

@MartinTheFirst Its exactly what I said. Like why would a woman take up an assault case to court knowing she'll lose it because of her state of dress at the time? It's illogical too isn't it?

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[quote]she'll lose it[/quote]

No, she shouldn't lose the case, since the rapist is to blame no matter what.

But she should be informed and be aware that her state of clothing/her lack of awareness was part of the reason why things went down as they did, and she should take safety precautions next time she goes out. Such as modest clothes and a sober mind.


It's like when your mother tells you to not wear that when going out... listen to her.

@MartinTheFirst Well that changes the argument completely doesn't it? You will lose your case if you don't have enough solid arguments. State of clothing, sobriety, dubious consent, memory gaps and so on will be strong arguments against you always.

[quote]sobriety, dubious consent, memory gaps[/quote]

Of course this can be used against you in court under the lighting of "she's imagining things" or "she gave me consent but denies it".

But I am not talking about battling against who is right or wrong in the moment, I am talking about why girls needs to wake up to the fact that what they wear and do matters. Stop with the victim mentality "I should be able to go around naked!", okay sure you should but you can't.

@MartinTheFirst Well yes. You're obviously aware of the risk factors associated with wrong clothing and so on. I'll repeat. I go to pubs. I've seen girls pretty much in the nude. Should it incite you to just jump on them and exploit them? No. Even if you're at at a beach, we all know how people dress there. Should it be a reason for you to exploit it? Nope. I've also seen drunk girls early morning in a pretty depraved state easy to be taken advantage of but even so does it mean you should do it? No.

It's more about being ethical in your approach I think.

[quote]does it mean you should do it[/quote]

I never said they should wtf are you on about??? It's like talking to a wall with you guys.

@MartinTheFirst It's a set of questions I asked. Doesn't mean I'm accusing you with them. It's just random thinking xD

@Darci It's a set of rhetorical questions you asked and answered yourself... Okay then that entire paragraph is just random thinking and part of a different conversation...

@MartinTheFirst You're free to counter argue it if you wish to. Never said you ought to agree with me or anything I say.

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