Please correct me if I'm wrong and biased by my feelings. I know that women experience so many sorts of injustice

@HannibalAteMeOut this is true. Mens suicide attempts on average are far more violent than women and therefore more successful.

@HijabaDabbaDoo I found out it's called the gender paradox of suicide but it makes sense since the means they use are different (mostly guns).

@HannibalAteMeOut it's very subjective tho, because it could either mean that it's just because men have more violent approach, or that it's that most women's attempts are not serious and are just a call for help/attention kinda thing

@SW-User that's true, but still the suicidal thoughts and the attempts are there so it doesn't make it a men's problem, I mean relating to your main post in which you said that basically men committing suicide more is proof of the gender based injustices they face.

@HannibalAteMeOut Doesn't the level of seriousness of a decision count as a factor too?

So if I grab a razor a make few scratches on my hand to get some attention, it's exactly the same as if I decide that I don't want to proceed with my life and this is final and final and non-negotiable?

@SW-User generally in psychiatry it's avoided to assume it's just for attention and they are both taken seriously, because the problems that led to it are equally serious. But what you described is self harm, not suicide attempt (which women also do more).

@SW-User @HannibalAteMeOut Y'all are overcomplicating things. Men succeed at suicide more often because men are naturally superior at everything.

@HannibalAteMeOut
Of course, I completely agree that we should take both seriously, but if we want to make fair comparison then all factors should be taken into consideration

Otherwise, aren't we supposed to also count all people struggling with depression?


I hope this doesn't sound cynical or insensitive but tbh I believe it's very easy to commit suicide successfully. Why would anybody fail at that unless the intentions are not really suicide

@SW-User Depends what tool you're using. Pills are unreliable, slashing an artery is tricky if you don't study anatomy (and also very painful), hanging yourself requires you to tie a damn good knot and work out the length of the rope, which most people don't know how to do. I agree that a lack of... dedication plays a roll in most failed suicides, but the thing about a gun is that it's easier to use, and therefore requires less dedication to use successfully.

Personally i'm sorta agnostic on the issue, the explanation that Hannibal just gave seems perfectly plausible, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if the rate of failed attempts has to do with men bottling up their feels or whatever. Social scientists tend to opt for the former explanation, so I tend to accept it as well on balance.

@HannibalAteMeOut Tbh I don't think I would've ever think of such comparison of "who suffers more" if I've never been attacked by women with the excuse that they suffer exponentially more while I don't suffer at all as a man so I deserve to take some of the suffering just because "I don't suffer enough"

Even here on this website, the moment I just say "men suffer too" everybody's triggered

@SW-User as I understand it, even suicidal thoughts are on a spectrum and honestly I have no idea if it's easy or not. But generally the rule is men use more effective means. Whether that means that deep down men want to die more than women do, I have no idea. Maybe it just means they are not so afraid of dying.
But also it would be fairer to state that women attempt more, just to put things into perspective. That's also an important factor that people who talk about the high suicide rates in men often forget about.

@BlueVeins Yeah I understand. But I mean it doesn't take too much thought or intelligence to come up with a reliable and even painless solution

@HannibalAteMeOut Yes, basically there's no reliable factors for measuring it, that's why I'm saying it's still subjective

@SW-User No, but a lot of suicide attempts are kind of sudden and unplanned. Maybe someone's been depressed for a long time, they drink a little too much one night. If that person's got a gun just sitting around in their home, they're a lot more likely to use it than someone who doesn't might be to go buy one for the same purpose.

@SW-User well people who shut you down and feel the need to compare struggles are just being unfair, that being said there are some silly complaints out there for sure, but I didn't know you've been attacked that way for sharing your suffering. That sucks.

@BlueVeins You've just introduced so many new factors into the equation b😅 this is getting so complicated

@SW-User I mean yeah, it's a complicated subject matter.