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Why %age of homeless people is rising in developed countries?

Before, we start blaming the government, poor healthcare, administration and etc.. Let's take into consideration their choices that lead them to this state.

Yes, not all homeless are irresponsible and addicts but most are. Some homeless folks are ambitious, talented and have great potential. Yet, they end up with a miserable life. It hurts a lot when I see them in such a state. Simply because they don't deserve to be there. Just one wrong decision in their career path and they end-up like this or when someone steals their years of hard work. Best part, such folks despite such issues do community services to help the society. God bless them...🙏

Folks who are homeless and addicts, I have no respect for them. No matter what sobbing story they tell. Worst, some of them pursue the path of crime to fulfill their addiction needs.

Majority of the folks (apart from the unique cases I mentioned above) who are homeless are the ones who cherish life on Credit, are into gambling & etc. and have no savings. Once they go bankrupt, they become homeless. Now, no government is responsible for their poor condition.

There are folks from working class who save throughout life for the better future of next generation. They have minimal earnings too but they help themselves and God does help them.🙏

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

Yes, not all homeless are irresponsible and addicts but most are.

What are you basing that on? Do you have anything to back that or are we just perpetuating a stereotype? And addiction and irresponsible are not synonyms. Addiction is a medical problem, not a Victorian "moral failing."

In the US as least hundreds of thousands are on the street who struggle with addiction are war vets who came back severely damaged and were basically left to fend for themselves. Most in this category did 3 plus combat tours.

Here in Canada you have the First Nations people who were the victims of what has been called a cultural genocide who had their community completely destroyed and than the government seems to think a photo op apology fixes everything.

None of this is as simple as the stereotypes.

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Good Points!😇

The ones who serve their country. I have utmost respect for them.🙏 As mentioned above, it hurts a lot to see the ones with great potential in such a state. Provided, they are not addicts.

The ones who served and are now homeless and addicts. I'll respect their serving the country part but won't respect them as a person because they are addicts. Drugs are never the solution, no matter what. I already have a post about it.

Now, few facts to backup:

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These are few examples.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@SoLeRiMix That is a pretty medieval view of addiction pretending it is some moral failing. That kind of mentality might have been reasonable during the civil war era but not in modern times.

And most that because addicts self medicate to try and cope with the trauma done to them by wars they fought for a country that threw them out like trash.

Further disrespecting them for trying to deal with the trauma makes all the "thank you for your service" platitudes empty and meaningless words.

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Veterans certainly don't deserve a life full of struggle. I agree with that part.

However, choosing to live later life with drugs makes no sense to me. Drugs are medicine for addicts, I'll always doubt it because majority of the addicts use this medicine lie to get more drugs. Majority has no prescription with them. This majority when asked about the Doctor, they hardly know the Doctor. Well, they are not in the position to remember their name, forget about the Doctor's name.

Not all veterans or ex-servicemen are addicts. Some have a plan for later life, they execute it and they live a peaceful life later. They also come across hurdles and challenges later but they don't drown themselves in alcohol or become an addict.

My thought-process for addicts won't change. It's fine if you see my thought-process as orthodox.😇

WhateverWorks · 36-40

I just got done hashing it out with someone else in a different thread about why people in family neighborhoods and business owners don’t want homeless housing built near them, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t help the homeless. It’s just that without the proper biopsychosocial, and at time spiritual depending on who they are, services. Without infrastructure in place to help with the rampant addiction, (which is not about them simply enjoying being an addict), generational trauma, and the rampant mental illness.. free housing or plots for camps becomes just another fester of the unaddressed problems that then spread. Another problem is that when places like where I live attempt to offer an abundance of services instead of following our lead by creating their own bio psychosocial services, surrounding cities send their homeless here, which oversaturate the programs, rendering them in utterly effective. I will agree though that a lot of people don’t want to admit to themselves that there are a number of homeless people who want to stay homeless and do not have a desire to reassimilate to society and… I think we can create a space/resources for those people also, but not in the hub of communities.

calicuz · 56-60, M

@WhateverWorks

Well said.

Nailed it!!!

CopperCicada · M

We have neither and economy nor social and medical systems to support a broad spectrum of individuals.

Increasingly we will not be able to employ people with limited intelligence, socialization, or skills. We just don't and won't. Automation will make it worse.

There are gaps between social systems that are huge.

When my friend worked as a nurse at a homeless shelter she had a hospital from a neighboring state dropping dementia patients in the parking lot. Granted, it was the only homeless shelter in the area. But it's not a dementia care facility.

She had people get placed into housing only to lose it because people lacked the socialization and/or cognition to live on their own.

She also had people with stage 4 cancer whose next step was hospice. She was doing PIC care, tending fresh amputations, had clients with surgical drains. In a homeless shelter.

People flippantly say people just need to be more responsible. Take care of themselves. Well. That's not possible if you never had normal cognition or socialization due to some defect, or you lost it due to head injury, stroke, mental illness. And you're not jump starting a new life when you're getting PIC line care in a homeless shelter.

calicuz · 56-60, M

I believe most of our homeless have mental health problems and need medical attention.
Even the "addicts" need help.
Drug addiction is not just about an inability to stop using, but many drugs, over time, deteriorate the mind to the point of insanity.
They need help, not judgment.

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calicuz · 56-60, M

@ninalanyon

Yes, but an addict can't and won't quit until they have had enough the drug and the lifestyle.
It's not an easy cycle to break, and I speak from experience.
It's not "relatively easy" to break free from those chains.
I know people don't understand addiction if they've never had an addiction.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@calicuz Sorry, I didn't make my meaning clear. I didn't mean that the addict alone can break free, I meant that removing the addict from the environment that encourages the addiction and depriving them of the drug can, in some cases, be a fairly straightforward way of breaking the addiction, that is an outside agent is required to break it.

My main point was the second part which is that none of that helps if the addict returns to the same environment and social group that encouraged the addiction in the first place. Addiction is not merely something that happens to an individual, it is also a social and socially mediated problem.

calicuz · 56-60, M

@ninalanyon

I agree!!!

HannahSky · F

The only thing you're really saying is that it's not always easy to get out from under,no matter how you got there.

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HannahSky · F

@SoLeRiMix there's reasons people make bad choices

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@HannahSky Then such folks should face the consequences themselves. Not look upto others for any kind mercy or help.

HannahSky · F

@SoLeRiMix they have lots of consequences, but still need support. No easy answers really. I don't condone hand holding and abuse of the system. It seems we don't do well with helping people get out from under.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

When a headline asks "why such and such is happening" first ask "Is it happening". Is it happening in all developed countries or in a select few developed countries. If the latter then perhaps there is something particular about those countries that makes it more likely. If so then it is not merely a matter of choice.

Also this chart suggests that the rate in the US at least is declining. I suppose that there might have been an upturn in the six years since then.

https://ourworldindata.org/homelessness

SW-User

I somewhat see what you are saying, but I'll tell you straight out that people are pushed to have credit cards and spend money.... Good credit is having credit card usage... many times having bad credit is considered good credit. I have had my rounds with this.... I pay for my vehicles and such with cash and got told that since I have everything paid for and use cash.... I have bad credit.
Society kind of sets up people to fail....
Addictions... I agree some are very bad choices... drugs especially since people could just say NO and not even try them, but... do we always do what is the smart thing? I smoked cigarettes for over 30 years and had to go through withdrawal to quit... it was a hard one!

You speak of God helping those who help themselves.... I think God also helped the ones who were not able to help themselves....even due to addictions.

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SW-User

@SoLeRiMix No clue what you are going on about holding God responsible for everything!

You didn't have to mention the bible. Once you start going on about God, the bible is part of the deal.

As for the rest... again. I am trying to take a break from this site so this is the last time I'll reply to this post of yours. I have counter points but don't wish to stay on this site to debate/argue with people who have no impact on my daily life and will not change how they see things... same as I will not change how I see things. So... that's it. It's over. No winner, no loser....just two people who won't change their points of view.

CestManan · 46-50, F

@SW-User

people are pushed to have credit cards and spend money

Of course when people get in trouble with credit (which happens often) they are treated like they are the bad guy. Like, "Well you got yourself into this".

You are correct, people are often set up for failure. Then told it is their fault. it is kind of bull that society functions like that.

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@SW-User

You didn't have to mention the bible. Once you start going on about God, the bible is part of the deal.

Lol...Good misconception!😇👍

No winner, no loser....just two people who won't change their points of view.

I can live with that.😇

Reflection2 · M

Because in poor or third world countries, 10 people can share a single room

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@Reflection2 Good point!😇👍

empanadas · 31-35, M

The costing of housing is rising uncontrollably. It's taken a dip now but it's not catching up with inflation.

SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M

@empanadas I take that point into consideration. However, people need to revise their way of living when the see inflation is really impacting them big time. Folks who don't revise, go for Credit and living with Credit always is the first step towards the beginning of many problems.🙏

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