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What do you think is more rational atheism or agnosticism?

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Uncle · 46-50, M
You do realise atheism can be either gnostic or agnostic, right? They're not mutually exclusive things.
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@Uncle The way is was presented in my degree is generally in this kind of split. Any further nuance is elaborate in the essay by the writer. Keeps it simple.
Uncle · 46-50, M
@Gouzi But that's very imprecise. You can well be an atheist and yet be uncertain about the existence of god. Just like many Christians are agnostic regarding that. In a religious context, “gnostic” usually refers to one who possesses knowledge or one who seeks knowledge about God. “Agnostic” is just the opposite, and they are persons who have no knowledge about the existence of God.
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@Uncle Perhaps we are from different backgrounds. In philosophy, these are the way the words are used:

In philosophy Atheism is strictly "Therefore, in philosophy at least, atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, the proposition that there are no gods)."

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"The terms “agnostic” and “agnosticism” were famously coined in the late nineteenth century by the English biologist, T.H. Huxley. He said that he originally

invented the word “Agnostic” to denote people who, like [himself], confess themselves to be hopelessly ignorant concerning a variety of matters, about which metaphysicians and theologians, both orthodox and heterodox, dogmatise with the utmost confidence. “

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/#DefiAthe
Uncle · 46-50, M
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Uncle · 46-50, M
I studied philosophy, thank you. The perspective you take is not an uncommon one, but it is flawed. The thing is, agnostic theists definitely exist. Which makes the definition of agnosticism as a complete and discrete stance hard to maintain. But I am aware that both definitions are commonly used still. Especially US universities still cling to your interpretation. And that's okay. It's philosophy, not physics. :)
Uncle · 46-50, M
@SW-User As an agnostic epicurean deist, I beg to differ. ;)
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@Uncle I'm from the UK. Its not my interpretation. Its just the one i accept from the encylopedia,which offers a starting point. I think it doesn't really matter so much.
Uncle · 46-50, M
@Gouzi I studied in the UK :)
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Uncle · 46-50, M
@SW-User You obviously misunderstand agnosticism. And what deism actually implies. :D

Oh well.
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Uncle · 46-50, M
@SW-User Actually no. But have it your way. Tired of people like you.
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Gouzi · 26-30, M
@Uncle I don't see an appeal to authority. You never used your background to assert your proposition.

We were just discussing the definition of terms. You thought the definition was too narrow. I thought it was fine for a starting point so not too narrow.

I also don't see a straw man. You never claimed he was saying anything or misrepresented his argument. You merely said he didn't seem to understand.
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Gouzi · 26-30, M
@SW-User haha. Just keeping it real bro. I love that "interesting politics you play."

& i guess its just because i don't need people to agree with me. I've studied enough critical thinking to be confident of my own reasoning abilities.

So, i'm a loose cannon baby.
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Gouzi · 26-30, M
@SW-User Yeah, you're right. i take it back. The "thank you" gives it away. I read it wrong. It seems not to just say "i also studied philosophy"。 Its i studied philosophy THANK U!
Uncle · 46-50, M
@Gouzi Sorry. Not how I meant it.
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@Uncle its cool. things can read different from our intent. Anyway, i gotta study some Chinese