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nedkelly · 61-69, M
A ladies choice, and all others should shut the fuck up and mind their own business
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GenerationX · 41-45, M
Yea, that’s what the south said about slavery. A slave owners choice and all others should shut the fuck up and mind their own business. @nedkelly
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX As a male you and I have no say in the matter at all
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@nedkelly So if a woman murders her husband, or anyone else for that matter, do we as males have a say in that matter?
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX We are talking about abortion, I have a client who killed her husband and was found not guilty under the battered wife argument
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@nedkelly We are talking about abortion, the intentional murder of one person for the personal convenance of another. The baby doesn’t batter it’s mother.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX So when you have the ability to carry and give life to a baby I will listen to your point of view
rhouse · 56-60, M
You have made an assumption that a fetus is a person. I will totally agree with you as soon as you define what a person is. @GenerationX
GenerationX · 41-45, M
According to that logic only women should have a say in the death penalty, war, and they shouldn’t be held responsible for anyone they decide to murder. The baby was a baby three seconds before it was born; a separate human life. And six seconds before, and nine seconds, and eighteen seconds...@nedkelly
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX So if a lady is carrying a baby that will die within 5 days of birth do you continue the pregnancy or have the abortion
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@rhouse A fucking person is a person they are not less of a person because they are hidden behind flesh.
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@nedkelly Have birth.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX Your choice not my daughters
rhouse · 56-60, M
So does that begin as soon as they become a cell? Cancer is made up of cells. Should we not amputate legs because legs are obviously human? I just want to know when it becomes a person. That is what controls my opinion. It is not my right to decide that for someone else without some empirical scientific proof. @GenerationX
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@nedkelly I wouldn’t certainty have the law protect the unborn from their mother’s wishes to kill them.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX as i said when you carry and give birth to a child i will listen to your view
rhouse · 56-60, M
I would absolutely protect the unborn child. I just won't protect the unborn cells. I just want empirical proof of when that happens, otherwise I am making the decision for the only person who has their own body in the game. @GenerationX
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@rhouse A leg is attached to a person who is capable of making a decision. A person inside their mother has no voice. Read the stories of those who are alive because of failed abortion attempts. If the mother had ended her pregnancy at any point it would have ended their life. Are you alive? Would you be alive if your mother had an early stage abortion? Life is evidenced and proven by life itself. If you stop life you’ve taken a real life.
rhouse · 56-60, M
My mother was advised to have an abortion because of a heart defect. I am extremely glad she didn't However, nobody else in the world (including my father) had any right to tell her what to do. A fetus is also attached to a person who is capable of making a decision. I am not a fan of abortion but I believe that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body. Don't use the "she made that choice when she decided to have sex" argument. People make choices to smoke but we would never dream of saying that we are better suited to decide whether they have lung surgery. @GenerationX
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@rhouse Your arguments are based on people making decisions about their own health. I smoke and cancer is certainly a possible outcome, I don’t get to escape the consequences. If some treatment saves my life that will be great, but I’m not killing another person by receiving treatment.
GenerationX · 41-45, M
rhouse · 56-60, M
That is exactly what I am asking for, proof that it is a "person". At what point does that happen. Some people believe conception others believe when it can feel pain, others believe when it is viable, and others believe that it happens when it can breath. I want empirical evidence. Short of that I am making the decision for someone else and I am not willing to do that.@GenerationX
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@GenerationX YES and i will support the lady to make her choice, not being pressured at all by a male who may not even be the father
GenerationX · 41-45, M
@rhouse The only proof I need is life outside the womb. None of us would be here if at any point our mothers ended their pregnancy. Life doesn’t exist apart from conception. Some people wanted empirical evidence that blacks had souls and weren’t just animals. They were fucking idiots.
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