What is there absolutely no excuse for?

@MartinTheFirst

This bit:

@SW-User So attempting justifying something by providing a reason and a argument. Well, I think that everyone should have a chance to explain themselves. Even Adam and Eve were given a chance to do so by God when they did what would lead us all to this horrible state of humanity. Whether you accept it or not is up to you.

@MartinTheFirst But some things are just too heinous to have any acceptable excuse.

@SW-User That's subjective and stems completely from imperfect emotion. If a judge in court would act on emotion and not rationality he wouldnt make a very just judge.

@MartinTheFirst Law and morality are two different things. You give me a good excuse for pedophilia and rape. And we can take it from there.

@SW-User Actually they are not different, they go hand in hand. Most of our laws are built on morals. Morals are important in a good law system, otherwise it would just be a bunch of unnecessary do's and don'ts. Emotion however, it surpasses law as well as morals, it clouds the mind most often in these scenarios.

It's not up to me to supply a good excuse for it, I haven't put any thought into those excuses just as I am confident that you haven't, but do not assume that someone who has put a lot of thought into it hasn't got a good excuse. The benefit of the doubt, letting everyone's voice be heard, not fearing what they have to say. That is just.

@MartinTheFirst Seriously? So you're arguing for the sake of just getting a high ground on here? That's not a sign of open mindedness to accept certain things. Some things are just wrong.
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@SW-User Haha no, I'm debating to give you the insight that everyone should have a chance at making themselves heard and listened to. You don't have to accept their reasoning, but have a open mind to give them at least one chance to explain. Don't just shut the door on them thinking that they have nothing good to say either way, that's how mistakes are made.


"Some things are just wrong" I do agree with you here, since God has made some things to be wrong, however if you're an atheist then even then all the things that are just wrong are also subjective.

@MartinTheFirst That is where law and morality differ. It is the obligation of law to give a benefit of doubt and hear a reason. And the punishment comes in accordingly.
Where morality is concerned, it is subtly different.

This is why I said some things are too heinous for there to be a benefit of doubt. A lot of things, sure, lets hear their side. But not some.

I don't think atheists necessarily lack on morals. I don't think religious people necessarily have morals.

@SW-User I believe both should be treated the same, unless there is a physical threat in doing so. It's okay however if you think the way you do, I won't judge you for it. I just think differently.


Oh no I'm not saying that they're necessarily lacking in morals, the religious teachings of morals are even within them, since society still holds religious morals to a high standard (nowadays without even knowing their origin is religious). Morals are taught after all. However, they lack the authority to make their morals anything but "subjective", since they do not believe in a God who made the morals like we do.

@MartinTheFirst I'm not judging you either. I think differently as well. Thank you. x

@SW-User You don't like debating hu? 😆

@MartinTheFirst Not on this site, no. :)

@SW-User That is very peculiar

@MartinTheFirst It's not but do tell me why you think so.

@SW-User It's not the setting that does the debate, it's the person.

@MartinTheFirst Alright. My past experience on this site and observation of other 'debates' on this site has wisened me to the fact that it can really go pear shaped discussing things here. People get easily personal and quickly offensive, often hitting below the belt.
This is something I've not encountered in real. So, the premise became important to my avoiding such 'debates'.

@SW-User I wouldnt hit you in the pussy 🤔

@MartinTheFirst You'd not want to even dare. 👀

@SW-User 😏😂

@MartinTheFirst 😏🙄