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God and existence are identical.

Hi every human with reason and intelligence, in particular I am addressing atheists, can you accept that before anything else there is God and He is essentially existence itself, so that God and existence are identical, and anything not God is created by God.

I have discussed this issue with atheists almost forever, but eventuallu they stopped their dialogue with me, for example one atheist called DocSavage.

So, I long for better atheists than DocSavage.

If no atheists come forward, that means they don't have reason and intelligence to dialog with me.
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yrger · 80-89, M
@Abstraction


From the beginning I have noticed that you Abstraction go for authority instead of independent thinking, because you are a Christian: yours is not to think but to accept blindly what your authority tells you to believe, no questions allowed.

And everything you cannot understand it must be accepted because man cannot understand everything, due to the fact that there are mysteries which man must accept on the authority of the what(?): of the Church, of the Pope, or the articles of faith, but specially the Bible, etc etc etc - i.e. no reasoning on logic and intelligence allowed.


From my part, reason and intelligence tell me: even God cannot produce something out of nothing, using nothingness as the 'stuff' to produce something, unlike the baker who must use flour to produce bread.


That is why you Abstraction is always into recital of past thinkers as your authorities and also present thinkers, but never your very own thinking on reason and intelligence


From Abstraction:

I object only to this:
14. But everything that is not God Himself nonetheless is made by God with and from Himself as the 'stuff' He uses to produce everything else

It is one logical possibility and it's quite a reasonable proposition. This view that you hold is panentheism and is similar to pantheism.
But as a Christian I don't follow this belief that assumes God needed 'stuff' to work with as if He lacked capability to create out of nothing. Christian belief is that God created ex niholo, from nothing, not from himself. When you look at physics it seems more apparent. The material universe is just excitations of a series of fundamental fields that are held in balance. All energy is 'vibration' within the fields. All matter is made of particles that are simply excitations of energy within the field. Nothing 'solid'. If those fields such as the Higgs field changed its value only slightly the entire physical universe would disappear immediately and it would be just energy.
Therefore God and existence are not identical in the Christian worldview. God is both imminent (near) and transcendent (beyond) the universe. This view is theism. Deism is the view God created the universe and doesn't have any continued involvement.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@yrger
From the beginning I have noticed that you Abstraction go for authority instead of independent thinking, because you are a Christian: yours is not to think but to accept blindly what your authority tells you to believe, no questions allowed.
Incorrect. I am a Christian and I think for myself. I don't turn to authority, I turn to evidence and rational argument, you are totally misreading based on a label. A basic error. You are AI based on your behaviour and you are totally programmed by others.