God and existence are identical.

Hi every human with reason and intelligence, in particular I am addressing atheists, can you accept that before anything else there is God and He is essentially existence itself, so that God and existence are identical, and anything not God is created by God.

I have discussed this issue with atheists almost forever, but eventuallu they stopped their dialogue with me, for example one atheist called DocSavage.

So, I long for better atheists than DocSavage.

If no atheists come forward, that means they don't have reason and intelligence to dialog with me.

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yrger · 80-89, M

@hartfire

Would you agree with me that for humans and God, consciousness is identical to existence, so that when man loses his consciousness permanently, then he no longer exists.

In the case of God, His consciousness is indeed His existence, but since He is permanently existing and self-existing, God cannot lose His consciousness scil. existence. That is in a way the only thing God cannot do, commit suicide.

yrger · 80-89, M
@hartfire

What about this definition of consciousness from yours truly Yrger:
In regard to humans, consciousness is the fundamental status of man experiencing his animate existence, so that man must first be in that status before he can do any action he is accountable to himself and to fellow humans.

Consequentially to this definition of consciousness, when man should lose consciousness, like for example he gets knocked out of his mind by an opponent in the boxing sport ring, he is not existing for the time being as a human, at most he is only 'vegetating'.

hartfire

@yrger No, I disagree.
A person is regarded by medicos as 'vegetating" if they are in a permanent coma, kept alive solely by artificial means and with no prospect of recovery.
Unless the machines are turned off, such a person slowly wastes away, every muscle atrophies. They are living but not sentient; not even the autonomic nervous system (which runs the body's systems to support life) are functioning. They cannot even breathe by themselves.

Other forms of unconsciousness are still a major part of life:
- the unconscious memories and associations that affect the way we respond to what we perceive,
- REM and deep sleep
- and temporary unconsciousness due to accident, excess heat or cold, or illness.
We the person wakes (or recovers) their sense of identity and ability to expect and live life continue. The desire to live has much to do with how we construct morality as a society and ethics as individuals.

While awareness and sentience is fundamental to the experience of being human, it is not unique to humans. As I've pointed out previously, we have plenty of evidence that all mammals are just as aware and feeling as we are.. In fact, it can easily be argued that they are more so because they don't have thoughts and beliefs (no neocortex for complex language and thought) to interfere with how they respond to their experiences.

Where do you get your ideas from, yrger?
Have you studied philosophy and the major religions?
If you want to get deeply into these issues you can find plenty of articles on them in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - free for anyone to access online.

DocSavage · M

@hartfire

Where do you get your ideas from, yrger?

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A unique point of view.

DocSavage · M

@hartfire
Now he’s implying that existence revolves around him. If he’s not conscious, existence stops ? What about the rest of reality ?

hartfire

@DocSavage I have heard that question before.
It's more commonly phrased, "if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it happen?"

The Course in Miracles asserts the idea that reality is only and solely what we perceive and how we interpret it.
There's plenty of evidence and logic to disprove these notions.
Yet the course, which comes in the form of a book of daily readings to contemplate, brainwashes people into believing it. By adopting its views, it promises to make people happy.
It's really just one more scam.