God and existence are identical.

yrger · 80-89, M
Hi CorvusBlackthorne, please do intelligent thinking on the fact and the truth that there are roses and babies in the neighborhood - ultimately what or who brought them into existence.

yrger · 80-89, M
Hi Corvus, here is my proof of God exists:

1. God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

2. Now, Corvus, let us go forth into objective reality to search for God, is that okay with you?

3. We find in objective reality that there are evidences of God existing, for example, there are roses and babies in the neighborhood.

4. Therefore, God exists as the permenent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage

God of nature is the God man knows to exist in nature and by his (man's) natural reason and intelligence.

God of supernature is the God man knows to exist by reading the Bible (or the Koran in the case of Muslims).

What's their difference?

With the God of nature, man knows God to exist because He (God) created the material/physical universe in the Big Bang.
With the God of supernature, man reads in the Bible that God works miracles like making the sun (earth) to stop moving.
I define the God of nature thus:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."

yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2


Hi newj, I agree with you that "When something changes it doesn't mean it didn't exist before it changed."

For example, you changed from a baby to an adult woman, but all the time from conception to your present existence, you exist - but you didn't exist before your conception in the womb of your mother.

With God however He never changes in time, because He exists all the time.

So that if you insist that God changes in time, then you and I we don't have the identical meaning of the word God.

That is why for me God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature.

Permanent existence implicates self-existence, meaning not dependent on another being to come into the status of reality which is existence.

So, when you keep on and on and on asking who created God, you are going into infinite regress because you are just repeating in your mind the same question, for in objective reality outside your mind there is or exists God, the pemanent self-existent spirit, source of all beings which have a beginning like with the material-phyical universe and you and me, we are transient beings, i.e. not permanent.

And the evidence for God is the universe itself which points to God, because the universe i.e. the material-physical universe has a beginning - you say it doesn't, but what is if any logic from you that the material-physical universe has no beginning, when it is composed of ultimately particles, and particles need an assembler to put the particles together into a material-physical universe.

yrger · 80-89, M
@exotic Hi Exotic, here is my ten steps proof for the existence of god:

How to come to the existence of god:
1. We exist. True.
2. We did not bring ourselves into existence. True.
3. So something else brought us into existence. True.
4. We humans are intelligent, are logical, are curious, are investigative. True.
5. We from investigation of existence conclude that there are ultimately two kinds of existence. True.
6. The two kinds of existence are ultimately (a) permanent existence, (b) transient existence. True.
7. Transient existence like us humans depends on permanent existence to come to existence. True.
8. Permanent existence is god. True.
9. Therefore god exists. True.
10. Otherwise we have no ultimate explanation for our existence. True.

This is the definition of god:
"God is the permanent self-existent container of all things, and the creator and operator of man and the universe and everything that is not God Himself." True.