God and existence are identical.

Hi every human with reason and intelligence, in particular I am addressing atheists, can you accept that before anything else there is God and He is essentially existence itself, so that God and existence are identical, and anything not God is created by God.

I have discussed this issue with atheists almost forever, but eventuallu they stopped their dialogue with me, for example one atheist called DocSavage.

So, I long for better atheists than DocSavage.

If no atheists come forward, that means they don't have reason and intelligence to dialog with me.

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi everyone, I am Yrger the theist and author of the present thread, "God and existence are identical."

This DocSavage atheist character is a master of self-obfuscation, he wants to make it appear that I am adhering to the following untruth and unfact:
That "god came from nothing and created everything from nothing."

I never say that.

What I am stating is that (1) God is the permanent self-existent creator and operator of everything that is not God Himself, and that (2) God created everything using Himself as the material of which to produce everything that He did create.

This was your original definition of god. You stated that god existed before creation (correct). That god is spirit and non material (correct). (wrong)That he created the universe not from himself, but nothing, just as he created himself from nothing(wrong). -DocSavage

The ambiguity in the word material.

God created everything using Himself as the material=stuff of which to produce everything that He did create. -Yrger

That god is spirit and non material as opposed to spiritual (correct) -DocSavage

My new finding in re DocSavage is that in addition to self-obfuscation, he is also guity of self-ambiguity